Issues

[LucasBS1]

Nobody seems to be monitoring the general issues around here, but I'll report what I see anyway.

I'm tryint to migrate from Titanium Backup, but having a head ache in the process.

I'll only insist because, unlike the competition, this app compresses in the tar.gz format, allowing me to decompress manually

• For starters, that persistent "unencripted backup is not safe" warning is GODDAM ANNOYING !
  I don't need another google telling me what is safe and what is not !

• Backups made via that floating menu IGNORE THE SETTINGS, specially the one where I unmarked to backup the .apk

• The app once lost the backup dir (I did set to my external SD)

• The app list takes LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG to load (and I don't have many apks). On Titanium it is instantaneous !

• If I enable/disable an app, I have to close the app and re-load the list for the status to update.

• There is no option to delete system apps.

• If I use the PUT command, the selection REPLACES the previous selection instead of incrementing it.

• Long package names get cut out of the screen, instead of going to the next line

• There is no easy or discernable way to backup things like WiFi, Bluetooth, Wallpaper, customizations, etc. On Titanium, they even asked if I wanted to backup via XML or file

• The PUT command should be called SAVE SELECTION AS, and should be more visible

• There is no button to "CHECKMARK ALL APPS WITH BACKUP" on the BACKUP tab

• There is no button to "REMAKE ALL THE BACKUPS" on the backup tab

• There is no button to seect apps By label

• On Titanium, there was a very important INFO button that showed backup size, package name, package dir, package version, etc

• The refreshing animation should not stop until the lists have been populated

• There needs to be a way to disable the annoying pull down gesture. It closes the backup properties I'm currently visualizing

• The back button should not close the app immediately

[LucasBS1]

When is the next release ?
Is any of these issues being addressed or should I migrate to another backup app ?

[MrEngineerMind]

I would move to another backup app if you are not happy.

[machiav3lli]

@LucasBS1 This is not how to report issues, such messages fit into a message in our community channels (Telegram or Matrix) but not on GH/GL/CB.

Many of your issues are duplicate of others, while others are not issues per se but preferences and you seem to haven't read our FAQ (this is specifically useful concerning expectations and comparasions to TiB or considering NB as general system manager - which it isn't). More to that you didn't report which version you were using. So the preferred way is that you read the FAQ, then you go to the community groups and discuss your preferences there, and we'll see things from there.

[hg42]

Nobody seems to be monitoring the general issues around here, but I'll report what I see anyway

maybe, but NOBODY is reading the FAQ, so if you don't read it, why should we read your ranting?

I actually may look at some items... but my motivation just dropped on the floor, seeing how you communicate.
You should go back to TiB (oh, that's not possible? think about why it was abandoned) or buy some incredible app that does all you want.

Or -- you start communicating in a different way.

[hg42]

I suggest what @machiav3lli already said, move the discussion to Telegram.

Some items maybe worth a discussion, and have some substance to talk about.
Others are just not ideal (that's ok for me) or simply your opinion or your laziness about not changing your behavior as a TiB user. Note, I was a long term TiB user myself (nearly from the beginning), in parts I know what you are talking about.
But there are reasons. Lookup the TiB section in the FAQ, I worte it and it's quite long (all the features found on the TiB site at that time).

I don't plan to invest my entire spare time to make people lucky that not even respect us, so I expect you to hange your attitude.

[LucasBS1]

Dude

Why did you dig this topic anyway ?

For starters (and now you'll ACTUALLY see me being rude), I don't give a wet fart if you don't like my opinions.

I'm just saying, for free, as a user, what the app needs to be COMPETITIVE.
If the app is not better than the rest, no reason for it to exist (and right now I only see a nicer interface)

I read the FAQ long ago (after I made my list, I confess).
Many of the differences are marked for enhancement. Good.

But as I remember, a good other fraction sounds like "it's like this, and won't change" (regardless of all enhancements being provenly possible). My complaints are not misplaced.

For those, my list is to be taken as a sign that features that SHOULD BE NATIVE, cannot, for the sake of the initiative, be treated as secondary.

And...
The only reason I left aside Titanium is a module that was interfering with it.
But don't worry: I migrated back already

[hg42]

Why did you dig this topic anyway ?

because it's a list that might interest others, but you look at it from a totally wrong perspective
And you throw a tantrum that other beginners might also feel, but at least some of it is not as it looks like.
Your attitude is like, I see this and it's not like I am used to think, so it's shit.

I'm just saying, for free, as a user, what the app needs to be COMPETITIVE.

We don't need to be COMPETITIVE... there is no payment or anything else we get for it.

Nobody seems to be monitoring the general issues

that's just a time problem, most communication is on Telegram.
If I find time I pick something from here.
However, it's good for documenting open tasks or problems.
Not everything needs to be discussed. I prefer solving issues instead of talking about them.
The main point of contributing as a user is to provide facts about issues.

Titanium Backup

well that's my reason to contribute to the project.

that persistent "unencripted backup is not safe" warning is GODDAM ANNOYING

as far as I see, it only appears every 10th start and max 3 times.

Backups made via that floating menu IGNORE THE SETTINGS, specially the one where I unmarked to backup the .apk

yes, the context menu is a totally separate part added by me and that's intentional.
It's simply a different way to do things (thought for experts).
Lately, I implemented the part selection, so it's also possible now.

on Titanium it is instantaneous

Titanium isn't loading the backup list, as far as I remember (it's looong ago that I used it).
Most of that time is caused by scanning the backups.
We could actually think about changing that.
But it would be another application then.
Btw. as a former TiB user, I never use the backup and restore pages.
That's why I added the context menu and the possibility to select items in the main page.

if I enable/disable an app, I have to close the app and re-load the list for the status to update.

probably also caused by being impatient

If I use the PUT command, the selection REPLACES the previous selection instead of incrementing it

yes, because it's PUT not MERGE INTO
If you want to merge you first GET the selection you want to edit.
Then ad/remove items via the filtered list or de/selecting.

The PUT command should be called SAVE SELECTION AS

no, because conceptionally it PUTs to different targets, e.g. files, or internal lists (e.g. in schedules and the global blocklist) and this might be expanded if other targets appear on the scene

There is no button to "CHECKMARK ALL APPS WITH BACKUP" on the BACKUP tab

one of the tasks you can easily do with the context menu

There is no button to "REMAKE ALL THE BACKUPS" on the backup tab

I never got why remake the backup is a thing.
That only makes sense if you don't have multiple backups per item.
It IS possible to select all apps with backups and use the context menu to backup them.
The same is possible with "schedules", that can be used to describe a task to be started manually with the play button.

There is no button to select apps By label

search finds labels and package names...

On Titanium, there was a very important INFO button that showed backup size, package name, package dir, package version, etc

yeah, please implement it

The refreshing animation should not stop until the lists have been populated

unfortunately that's a difficult thing. There is a beginBusy and endBusy function, but up to now I didn't find a way to ensure that the endBusy is called in all cases. When this isn't called, the busy state runs for ever...
So, for now it's limited...I know about it and may address it later. But you get used to it. It's a typical rant by new users.

There needs to be a way to disable the annoying pull down gesture. It closes the backup properties I'm currently visualizing

it's some new Android way of doing things and I'm not a fan of it, either.
But there are more important things to do and we never talked about it.

The back button should not close the app immediately

well, I don't like apps that ask me if I'm sure. I am used to think first, before I do something.
I accept that a few things might need a confirmation. But closing an app usually doesn't hurt much.

Currently, there is one occasion, where the back button does the wrong thing, that is when a schedule sheet is open, back button closes the app, instead of the sheet. Maybe that's what made you say that.

[machiav3lli]

I'm just saying, for free, as a user, what the app needs to be COMPETITIVE.

I'm not sure what this competitive is all about, but this is a community project we build for users, with users, in our free time. Either you follow and respect the community standards, being polite or you're out.

Why did you dig this topic anyway ?

Harald was going through open/live issues checking and replying what he sees fit, he didn't dig anything. Cause otherwise this issue would be closed. Which is what I'll do for now.

[LucasBS1]

Your attitude is like, I see this and it's not like I am used to think, so it's shit.

On Titanium, I take TWO taps to update my backups. TWO.
If you think that doing the same in thirty is "just ranting", then I cannot help you.

We don't need to be COMPETITIVE... there is no payment or anything else we get for it

You are the one taking the word competitive to the financial interpretation

the context menu is a totally separate part added by me and that's intentional.
It's simply a different way to do things

By making that menu you forgot to enhance the "main" part of the program. For instance, a refined, continuously saved selection of what apps to backup. The "main" list shows all the apps, and I have to select one by one without the GET function

There is no button to "CHECKMARK ALL APPS WITH BACKUP" on the BACKUP tab

one of the tasks you can easily do with the context menu

Confirmation of the point just above

Titanium isn't loading the backup list, as far as I remember

Well... Then do as titanium if you care about the user's patience

as a former TiB user, I never use the backup and restore pages

It is needed just once. From then on, you just batch update what you already selected.
Also, it is used when you need other features from titanium, like freeze, info, etc. For that reason, it must be loaded instantly: we don't always want to check backups, but to do other tasks.

never got why remake the backup is a thing. That only makes sense if you don't have multiple backups per item

Every backup on titanium takes 1.5GB (and I'm selective - few apps, data only). I believe MOST people only keep one version.

And "remaking" the backup (updating them) takes those two clicks on titanium

It IS possible to select all apps with backups and use the context menu to backup them

The problem with this is described on this issue: #909
Which is also not present on the main menu. Worse in there: it backs up all the apps, and I have to delete the .apks manually (I only need data)

The back button should not close the app immediately

I accept that a few things might need a confirmation. But closing an app usually doesn't hurt much.

When an app takes one and a half minute to load the app list, and you just need to use a subfeature, then leaving the app by mistake and making one and a half minute become three is a painful mistake

this is a community project we build for users, with users, in our free time.

I am one. Pointing inefficiencies, for free. If you guys think I'm just ranting (about an app that I don't use anymore), just make a poll with all the other users.

Either you follow and respect the community standards, being polite or you're out.

I was never impolite (actually, the sequence of accusations made by both of you is INSULTING). If you don't like me pointing problems, just kick me out.

[machiav3lli]

Harald's first intervention wasn't the most polite, but it's all based on your attitude. But let's get to the reasons…

When is the next release ?
Is any of these issues being addressed or should I migrate to another backup app ?

Shows a real impatient and consequently not using the app is your own decision, don't blame voluntary workers for not doing what you wish, being an impatient kid.

This is not how to report issues, such messages fit into a message in our community channels (Telegram or Matrix) but not on GH/GL/CB.
Many of your issues are duplicate of others, while others are not issues per se but preferences and you seem to haven't read our FAQ (this is specifically useful concerning expectations and comparasions to TiB or considering NB as general system manager - which it isn't). More to that you didn't report which version you were using. So the preferred way is that you read the FAQ, then you go to the community groups and discuss your preferences there, and we'll see things from there.

Here I pointed out to the usual process and that what you've done doesn't align with our community standards, you've even originally ignored our templates.

If you did really have interest in improving NB, you would have checked the duplicates in the issues you raised (maybe commented in the respective open issue), created single issue for each of the feature request you still had and closed this issue.

Harald had seen all this and it's just logical to use the tone he used to address your chaos. We have our workflow to reduce the chaos and be able to focus on work on the app (each issue a time), we're not running kindergarten for impatient persons, that are not even users.

[machiav3lli]

And one last thing, we don't see your COMPETITIVE aligning in anyway with our FOSS engagement. We are not on the financial market, neither we are concerned with any type competition. FOSS doesn't work that way…

[MrEngineerMind]

LucasBS1 - It's obvious that YOU don't like the app, so please use another app as I previously suggested.

Just because YOU can't use titanium backup anymore and YOU need to find another app and NB is missing some features that YOU need, doesn't mean that YOU have any right to demand or "insist" that OTHER people do what YOU want. Simply put, it's NOT the developers fault that YOU can't find a satisfactory substitute for the way YOU used titanium backup.

So, please stop posting here because YOU are [in part] causing drama to everyone here, especially the people who are spending their personal time in developing this great app.