"Payment sent" - payment not sent

[MDIMSMM]

Describe the bug
I filled in my lightning address, the purple wheel showed. Then it said "Payment Sent" but it wasn't received. I have an open channel with Start9 HQ that I just opened today. I haven't been doing anything with RTL for well over a year so I'm extremely rusty and wasn't great at this to start with. I recall having this problem that was solved the last time, too, but I don't remember what it was.

I also have an inactive peer (CLN) that says I have a local balance of 2.5 mil sats and I don't know how to get them back (are they mine?)
If there's a better resource for me to go to get this information, please let me know. I did find the YT video to set up, which I watched, but it didn't address these issues.

To Reproduce
Steps to reproduce the behavior:

1. Go to Transactions
2. Click on Send Payment
3. Fill in address
4. No error message. Says sent but not sent.

Screenshots
If applicable, add screenshots to help explain your problem.

Your environment

• Version of RTL0.13.6~1
• Version of lnd0.16.4
• Version of btcd, bitcoind, or other backend - I don't know what this means
• Browser & browser version - Impervious; up to date, but don't know the version number
• Operating system (uname -a on *Nix) - I don't know what this means
• any other relevant environment details

Additional context
I don't know anything about this stuff. I just put some btc into this more than a year ago like an idiot. I'd like to be able to move it to a mobile wallet. Thank you!

[saubyk]

I filled in my lightning address, the purple wheel showed.

There is no feature like that in RTL, in fact lightning address is not supported in RTL. You cannot pay to a lightning address through RTL. Can you share a screenshot of the page where you input the lightning address?

I also have an inactive peer (CLN) that says I have a local balance of 2.5 mil sats

If the balance is shown as local, you can always force close the channel and get your funds (there will be a delay to get the funds finally to your node depending on the 'CSV delay' value)

Also, looking at your RTL and LND versions, your node seems to be outdated. You should update to the latest available versions before doing anything else on your node.

[MDIMSMM]

I guess that would explain why it didn't work...but if it doesn't do lightning addresses then what does it do? I don't understand.

RTL screenshot.pdf

If it's not lightning, then how do I send btc off chain?

I'm now trying to update my start9 but it's giving me an error message. I will follow up with the start9 community.

[saubyk]

RTL screenshot.pdf

Can you paste the screenshot image here instead of referencing a link?

[MDIMSMM]

I hope that worked... I don't know how else to do it.

[saubyk]

but if it doesn't do lightning addresses then what does it do?

RTL supports native lightning invoices or Bolt11 invoices (and Bolt12 invoices on core lightning)

If it's not lightning, then how do I send btc off chain?

It is Lightning, you should input a Bolt11 invoice...here's an example of a bolt11 invoice...

lnbc100n1pnmz0n3pp5kpuhys8qn7ehncav2l8xl3732rsgv3gleav5wxfps62qakt5zd3sdq523jhxapqd9h8vmmfvdjscqzzsxq9p5hsqsp546vud48rzr8urjrhterfg6xqmux2047tgyjp7mtw7plzmrcjmtcs9qxpqysgqsrsfpephn5k6nfmnxquvq7eeh6tn9flh606h3tu6fhjq6tlrvlqsddcjf6pesd6m3gtvwtetay2g7jr5c2f7xq99tjfrpz7u2fqr8wqq8598f6

The screenshot you shared is a regular way to make payments from RTL, but it doesn't recognize a lightning address, and if you enter a lightning address and try to click on Send Payment nothing would happen.

May be we can update the UI to show an 'invalid invoice' message if you are entering something which is not supported. But regardless, it's not going to take any action on random strings which do not translate into a valid invoice.

[saubyk]

Also just to clarify Lightning Address is a complementary protocol which simplifies sharing of invoices for lightning payments...
https://lightningaddress.com/
In case you were referring to regular lightning invoices as "lightning address".

I understand lightning address as this protocol which isn't supported on RTL

[MDIMSMM]

Huh... now I'm more confused. This was my lightning invoice which looks like the one you shared with me:
lnbc1084510n1pn6lkwypp5jxc8mh92trv5uu2g52kk9guzvtelrscpmhxpp3ksxvg53nnwrncqdpsgfjkx6me8gszqnn0yp5kuan0d93k2gryv4ekxunfwp6xjmmwcqzzsxqyjw5qrzjqgc2t099trn8g9rqcy7axnnrdk3gu540myw0j0dc0mgmqwf2w3nwhapyqqqqqqqy9cqqqqqqqqqqztqq9qrzjqgc2t099trn8g9rqcy7axnnrdk3gu540myw0j0dc0mgmqwf2w3nwhapyqqqqqqqr0qqqqqqqqqqqztqq9qsp5etuddce458xqhrfd9gl8nwtapan8nh88r63g2a66065sknmfhggs9qxpqysgqdn83fkz44kumwxgv4g4x8ww4gy3nl4w97682vm5czjlvdcctf4r8072ee3aedj2n7vszhlafp02lmduw08dwx8j9agjxex90x7vzrnqpz7q8ww

I guess there's more than one protocol and I'm not up on all the different things available out there. So it looks like my wallet (I use Blixt) supports the standard one. So I shouldn't have received an error message reading "not supported" but yet it still didn't send. Maybe because my software is so out of date?

I'm working with the Start9 devs to update my node as it's so out of date I have to flash it. Could that have been the problem? I opened the Start9 HQ channel (privately) with close to 600,000 sats and am trying to send just over 100,000. I tried again with a smaller amount (4000 sats) and still no luck.

[saubyk]

I filled in my lightning address

This was the source of confusion, what you meant was lightning invoice not "lightning address".

So, when you're trying to pay the invoice via RTL, are you getting an error?
Also, if the payment is failing is your local balance getting changed or stays the same?

Can you share an invoice, with small amount like 10 sats, so that I can test paying from my node?

[MDIMSMM]

Ah, ok. Not being in on it, I didn't realize those were two different things. There is no error message. It says "Payment sent" My balance is not changing. An invoice from where? My hot wallet on my phone or from RTL? If from my wallet I don't think it allows me to do anything worth less than $5. Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email.

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[MDIMSMM]

Hi, is there any update to my situation?

I have been in the process of trying to update my start9 node and have run into nothing but problems since we last communicated. I'm still on the old OS and hopefully at some point my situation will be resolved.

Is that the only possible reason for RTL to not be working for me?

[saubyk]

Hi @MDIMSMM are you able to update your LND? what version are you on?
It's difficult to diagnose a situation on outdated versions. You best course of action is to update your node to the latest version before attempting anything else

[MDIMSMM]

By LND do you mean my RTL or my start9 OS itself?
I'm running into endless issues updating my start9, but my RTL is updated on the older OS as far as I know.

[saubyk]

Version of lnd0.16.4

This needs to be updated to the latest version

[MDIMSMM]

Is that the latest version? That's what I'm running

[saubyk]

Is that the latest version? That's what I'm running

It's not. The latest LND version is 0.18.5