xanadu

[justin2004]

hey, not an issue... just a discussion...

i see some of the Project Xanadu ideas in monotome. specifically transclusions and backlinks.

is that just convergent interests or were you inspired by some of ted nelson's ideas?

[cblgh]

@justin2004 hey :)

Monotome doesn't have any direct Xanadu-inspirations, more like indirect ones—other sites have popularized backlinks / transclusion and I implemented them in Monotome for the heck of it. That said, Ted was definitely ahead of the curve by decades. I have yet to read any of his books, but I'm looking forward to when I manage to get ahold of one :)

[justin2004]

Ted was definitely ahead of the curve by decades.

+1

i also like the consequences his 3 proposed layers. one is that you can do content addressing (not just whole document addressing or document fragment addressing)... which i imagine might look a little like how we can get a permalink to a line in a github repo.
so you can transclude just text even if it occurs in some primped layer in the referenced document.
i think monotome has to transclude the whole referenced thing (primping and all), right?

 I would propose a three-layer model:[8]

    A content layer to facilitate editing, content linking, and transclusion management.
    A structure layer, declarable separately. Users should be able to specify entities, connections and co-presence logic, defined independently of appearance or size or contents; as well as overlay correspondence, links, transclusions, and "hoses" for movable content.
    Finally, a special-effects-and-primping layer should allow the declaration of ever-so-many fonts, format blocks, fanfares, and whizbangs, and their assignment to what's in the content and structure layers.

https://www.xml.com/pub/a/w3j/s3.nelson.html