MediaNav 2.0.9.9 screen message "System not configured, Please connect diag tool"

[an0nimo]

Hi @Furtif .
I have a MediaNav 2.0.9.9. version of a Renault KWID.
I read your messages in [Issue #626 and like you said, I pressed MAKE VIRGIN button in MICONTEST menu and now DACIA logo is shown followed of message "System not configured, Please connect diag tool".
I am trying fix it my self and in Issue #626 I saw that I would need the DDT4ALL program and an adpater ELM327 modified or a cable USB-DIAG 3 model from DERELEK.
I saw too that they was talking about MediaNav 4.1.0 there, so I would like to know if the DDT4ALL program and an adpater ELM327 modified or a cable USB-DIAG 3 model from DERELEK would serve to restore a MediaNav 2.0.9.9.
I am newbie about restore MediaNav but I read many foruns and saw many videos to know that pendrive with ini files doesn't works for 2.0.9.9. version like works for 4.0.6 and 4.1.0 versions.
I aprreciate for any help.

[Furtif]

Need can2 mode to fix that

[an0nimo]

Thank you for answer me.
Is Can2 mode the same as shown in this article below:
https://www.drive2.ru/l/468057702971474426/

[Furtif]

yep is same as reply #970 (comment) fine.

[KarelSvo]

@an0nimo
The ULC 4.1 sends via pins 6 and 14. If this is different for you, you need a redirection to 12 and 13.

You can restore the acoustic parameters with a script. I recommend a powerful ELM interface, like vLinker FS.
The other settings can be adjusted in MICOM.

[an0nimo]

Thanks for answer me.
I understood and it sems be the same that is being taught in article below, changing pins connections 6->13 and 12->14 between car OBD socket and ELM socket:
https://www.drive2.ru/l/468057702971474426/
Is ELM 327 usb modified like image below would work too with MS or HS scan mode ?

HS scan mode seems works in CAN2 mode.

[KarelSvo]

Ford CAN 2 is 3 and 11 https://www.eobdii.fr/service/comment-ajouter-hs-ms-can-passer-via-elm327-modification-28859.html

[AndyIreland]

Can an ELS27 read and write the r-link and Renault medianav parameters? rather than soldering ELM327 pins or wire up a y-splitter - often wondered about that

[KarelSvo]

ELS27, OBDLINK EX, vLinker FS are all double CAN interfaces for Ford Pin 6/14 and 3/11.
I don't know of any double CAN interface that is offered ready-made with 6/14 and 12/13.
It always has to be changed from Ford 3/11 to Renault 12/13.
Current vehicles with Medianav, such as Spring and Duster 2, do not have CAN 2, nor do vehicles with Easylink and OpenRlink.

[an0nimo]

ELS27, OBDLINK EX, vLinker FS are all double CAN interfaces for Ford Pin 6/14 and 3/11. I don't know of any double CAN interface that is offered ready-made with 6/14 and 12/13. It always has to be changed from Ford 3/11 to Renault 12/13. Current vehicles with Medianav, such as Spring and Duster 2, do not have CAN 2, nor do vehicles with Easylink and OpenRlink.
Okay.
I understood.
Have to be a ELM327 25K80 modified with pin configurations:
Switch outside: HS CAN - Occupies pins 6 and 14
Switch inside: MS CAN - Occupies pins 13 and 12
About DDT4ALL, can be used the version for windows ?
If "yes", after connect the scan with MediaNav 2.0.9.9., what is the step by step in program to recover it ?

[an0nimo]

Pode ser o passo a passo no DDT4ALL para recuperar o MediaNav 2.0.9.9. as instruções para "Medianav Evolução ULC4" no post abaixo ?
https://forum.medianav.ru/viewtopic.php?t=148&start=45#p1708

[KarelSvo]

The script software automatically writes the acoustic parameters into the medianav when the connection is established and you select the .cmd file using the left button.

[KarelSvo]

With ddt4all you have to insert all acoustic parameters manually.
Since the ddt4all screen reads and writes data at the same time, your usual Elm interface will be overwhelmed.

[Furtif]

Entao falas português lol 😂

[an0nimo]

Entao falas português lol 😂

Sim... sou do Brasil... hehehe.

[Furtif]

A vale falo Pt também sou meio tuga

[an0nimo]

The script software automatically writes the acoustic parameters into the medianav when the connection is established and you select the .cmd file using the left button.

Okay.. but the link in the word script that you passed previously is an executable "sendSCRIPTS-Installer.exe".

[KarelSvo]

Of course, you have to install the software on the laptop before you can use it.

[an0nimo]

With ddt4all you have to insert all acoustic parameters manually. Since the ddt4all screen reads and writes data at the same time, your usual Elm interface will be overwhelmed.

So... "acoustic parameters" will restore the Medianav 2.0.9.9. and not need to install a OS like WinCE. Is it ?

[an0nimo]

A vale falo Pt também sou meio tuga

Blz... e és natural de qual país ?

[Furtif]

Estou em França mas tenho origens tugas

[Furtif]

pergunte ai a communidade se este #956 (comment) fonciona.

como expliquei em varios post para ter accesso a CAN2 tem que ser com pins modificados ou cablo especial da DTT2000

[an0nimo]

pergunte ai a communidade se este #956 (comment) fonciona.

como expliquei em varios post para ter accesso a CAN2 tem que ser com pins modificados ou cablo especial da DTT2000

Blz.
Estou vendo pra comprar um ELM327 para colocar a chave e trocar os pinos 6->13 e 12->14 porque não encontrei algum que já viesse pronto, só com a pinagem trocada para FORD 6->3 e 14->11.
O problema é que os ELM327 atuais não vêm com fios, apenas a placa com os componentes eletrônicos. Os com fios são mais antigos.

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Okay.
I'm looking to buy an ELM327 to put the key in and change pins 6->13 and 12->14 because I didn't find one that came ready, just with the pinout changed to FORD 6->3 and 14->11.
The problem is that the current ELM327s doesn't come with wires, just the board with the electronic components. The wired ones are older.

[AndyIreland]

I dont think you can get them already wired up / modified - which is a shame i admit. I found easy way rather than solder the ELM327 is to get a y-cable and wire that up/short out the wires instead

[KarelSvo]

When buying a new one, you should choose an interface with a large buffer if you don't want to buy twice.
In the link to the drive2.ru blog there is a picture of the OBD splitter cable.

[Furtif]

Eu fiz cabo cruzado (ou pins) com uma extensao, EM vez de danificar o odb2 Agora quando quero IR ai modo diag tool uso a extensao com os fios trocados se quero normal uso o odb2 normalemente

[AndyIreland]

same with me

[an0nimo]

When buying a new one, you should choose an interface with a large buffer if you don't want to buy twice. In the link to the drive2.ru blog there is a picture of the OBD splitter cable.

Like that ?

[Furtif]

Nao uso esse

[Furtif]

https://www.amazon.fr/bbfly-B6-Splitter-extension-Adaptateur-dextension/dp/B073Y519FG uso um assim e troquei os fios ai nao no odb2

[Furtif]

De maniera comprei un cabo assim ou extension e troquei nele os pinos para can2 e prontos o meu odb2 pikxxxx nao esta modificado e o cabo posso recolocar original tirei foto da cor dos fios antes e depois

[AndyIreland]

here's mine ... I didnt even bother soldering it!

[KarelSvo]

Like that ?

Yes, that is the ideal version.
Unlock the pin, push it out and snap it back in somewhere else.

[an0nimo]

Merry Christmas for everyone !!
I would like to know if with the original CAN CLIP RENAULT I could restore the MediaNav 2.0.9.9.
A mechanic workshop offered me to use the original CAN CLIP RENAULT equipment but they were honest in saying that they had never used it for the purpose of restoring a MediaNav and they did not know how to do it.
Thank you.

[KarelSvo]

XBB.htm
CF016 TIPO PAÍS
CF018 UNIDADE DE DISTÂNCIA
CF027 LÍNGUA
CF028 RESTRIÇÕES DE UTILIZAÇÃO
CF053 ALTIFALANTE TRASEIRO
CF065 CÂMARA TRASEIRA
CF066 LINHAS DE ORIENTAÇÃO
RZ004 RESET RÁDIO
RZ005 MEMÓRIA DE AVARIAS
SC001 CONFIGURAÇÃO AUTOMÁTICA
SC004 CALIBRAÇÃO DA CÂMARA DE MARCHA-ATRÁS
SC005 CONFIGURAÇÃO DO SISTEMA
VP001 ESCRITA DO V.I.N.
VP003 ESCRITA DATA INTERVENÇÃO APÓS VENDA

Procedimento a aplicar após a reparação

    Fazer a alimentação +APC forçada do veículo.

    Ligar o sistema multimédia:
    [X000_607_000_F-Cablagem - APC forçado/000000-Genérico/501-Método genérico]

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) SC001-CONFIGURAÇÃO AUTOMÁTICA

    Instalar novamente a configuração seguinte (utilizar uma configuração idêntica consultando a leitura de configuração anterior):

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) CF016-TIPO PAÍS

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) CF027-LÍNGUA

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) SC005-CONFIGURAÇÃO DO SISTEMA

    Introduzir o código VIN:

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) VP001-ESCRITA DO V.I.N.

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) RZ004-RESET RÁDIO

    Após a reposição, aguardar 15 segundos antes de efectuar qualquer acção no rádio.

    Introduzir a data da última intervenção pós-venda.

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) VP003-ESCRITA DATA INTERVENÇÃO APÓS VENDA

    Aguardar pelo pedido de código de rádio (sinal sonoro).

    Recuperar a chave de inicialização do telemóvel:

    RN-CLIP-DISPLAY Domain:(RÁDIO) ID007-CHAVE DE INICIALIZAÇÃO RÁDIO

    Introduzir a chave para obter o código de desbloqueamento do telemóvel, através da "RENAULT.NET", no menu "gestão de códigos".

[an0nimo]

XBB.htm CF016 TIPO PAÍS CF018 UNIDADE DE DISTÂNCIA CF027 LÍNGUA CF028 RESTRIÇÕES DE UTILIZAÇÃO CF053 ALTIFALANTE TRASEIRO CF065 CÂMARA TRASEIRA CF066 LINHAS DE ORIENTAÇÃO RZ004 RESET RÁDIO RZ005 MEMÓRIA DE AVARIAS SC001 CONFIGURAÇÃO AUTOMÁTICA SC004 CALIBRAÇÃO DA CÂMARA DE MARCHA-ATRÁS SC005 CONFIGURAÇÃO DO SISTEMA VP001 ESCRITA DO V.I.N. VP003 ESCRITA DATA INTERVENÇÃO APÓS VENDA

Procedimento a aplicar após a reparação

    Fazer a alimentação +APC forçada do veículo.

    Ligar o sistema multimédia:
    [X000_607_000_F-Cablagem - APC forçado/000000-Genérico/501-Método genérico]

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) SC001-CONFIGURAÇÃO AUTOMÁTICA

    Instalar novamente a configuração seguinte (utilizar uma configuração idêntica consultando a leitura de configuração anterior):

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) CF016-TIPO PAÍS

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) CF027-LÍNGUA

        RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) SC005-CONFIGURAÇÃO DO SISTEMA

    Introduzir o código VIN:

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) VP001-ESCRITA DO V.I.N.

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) RZ004-RESET RÁDIO

    Após a reposição, aguardar 15 segundos antes de efectuar qualquer acção no rádio.

    Introduzir a data da última intervenção pós-venda.

    RN-CLIP-LAUNCH-ACTUATOR Domain:(RÁDIO) VP003-ESCRITA DATA INTERVENÇÃO APÓS VENDA

    Aguardar pelo pedido de código de rádio (sinal sonoro).

    Recuperar a chave de inicialização do telemóvel:

    RN-CLIP-DISPLAY Domain:(RÁDIO) ID007-CHAVE DE INICIALIZAÇÃO RÁDIO

    Introduzir a chave para obter o código de desbloqueamento do telemóvel, através da "RENAULT.NET", no menu "gestão de códigos".

@KarelSvo
Thank you so much for your support.
Just confirming: All these instructions are to use with CAN CLIP Renault original like images below (images below).
Is it ?

[KarelSvo]

Yes, these are instructions extracted from the original software.
But your interface shown has not been used by Renault for a long time.
https://renault-keycard-replacement.co.uk/blank-renault-keycards-for-sale/renault-clip-vi-alliance-genuine-interface/
https://www.kdstools.com/store/p215/RNM-VCI3.html#/

[an0nimo]

@KarelSvo
The CMD file to be run by sendSCRIPTS has many parameters like CNF_PACT, CNF_RAD, CNF_SOUND, SPVR1 and others. So, if I create a CMD file for each parameter and run one by one, could I get around the scanner problem with full buffer ?

[KarelSvo]

The problem is not the number of commands, but the length of individual commands.

[an0nimo]

The problem is not the number of commands, but the length of individual commands.

I understood.
Some questions just to better understand this ELM buffer full problem:
1- This problem occurs because of the construction of the ELM and not because it is USB or because of the speed of the USB port it is connected to (USB 1.0, 2.0 OR 3.0), that means, could it happen with an ELM WIFI too?
2- CAN Hight and CAN Low of the ELM have to do with positive/negative polarity or with data transmission speed?
Because if it is related to data speed, could be connected pin 14 of the ELM (High) to pins 12 and 13 of the CAR OBD SOCKET increase the data transmission speed?
3- If the problem is the length of each parameter, could a CMD file be created for each parameter and sent in small parts with a certain time interval, hoping to empty the buffer?
Thanks for everyone's support

[AndyIreland]

so is the setting that needs a elm327 capable of a big buffer just the acoustic parameters parameters? - if thats the case , how about trying to restore all other parameters with your existing ELM setup and see if that gets rid of the 'connect diagnostic tool' message @an0nimo - or have you tried that already? (or does the message on screen only go when the acoustic parameters are filled out/completed?)

[KarelSvo]

We are spinning in a circle. #970 (comment)
If there was an easy method, this would have been recommended in December.

[AndyIreland]

sorry , just coming up with a few ideas/some workarounds - but you are a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than i am @KarelSvo .

If (hypothetically speaking) the parameters were all filled out, or not touched in the acoustic parameters boxes, how about then? - could it be got out of the 'connect diagnostic tool' with the elm he already has?

[an0nimo]

so is the setting that needs a elm327 capable of a big buffer just the acoustic parameters parameters? - if thats the case , how about trying to restore all other parameters with your existing ELM setup and see if that gets rid of the 'connect diagnostic tool' message @an0nimo - or have you tried that already? (or does the message on screen only go when the acoustic parameters are filled out/completed?)

Thanks.
Every suggestion is valid.
Acoustic parameters and some recordings in the ECU.
I will make each change and identify which ones I cannot change.

[an0nimo]

We are spinning in a circle. #970 (comment) If there was an easy method, this would have been recommended in December.

Sorry dude.
Thank you so much for waste your time support me, but I'm just trying to exhaust all possibilities that may not have been tried before.

[KarelSvo]

@an0nimo
You can only have the same negative experiences as many others before you with the same problem.
That's why I wrote to you in December about the necessary requirements for a successful solution and a user-friendly decoupling of the Pyren Terminal given.
You decide for yourself how many months your detour will last.
The long commands are already split up for sending, but your interface can't meet the time limit.
#970 (reply in thread)
https://www.drive2.com/b/472129194529128744/

[an0nimo]

I really appreciate your support, but I think it doesn't justify spending a lot of money on a scanner that I'm only going to use once to solve a problem on my media that will never happen again.
Furthermore, on the Russian forum the person says that can connection to the medinav by swapping pins 6>13 and 12>14 and using an ELM327 like mine, with the PIC18F25K80 chip, only with wifi. To guarantee the connection, I bought the ELM327 USB v1.5 for US$ 2.57 and a friend brought it to me from Portugal along with the ODB2 splitter bought on Aliexpress.
I have not found anyone categorically saying that they have tried to use ELM327 to reprogram Media Nav 2.0.9.9. did not work. So, I had to try the most cheap scanner first.
Furthermore, when we open DDT4ALL the ELM327 USB like mine appears as one of the scanner choice options (1), as another red one (2) and the Vgate-OBD2 Scanner (3) I think.

Now, I'm going to see if I can find someone with the Vgate-OBD2 Scanner that I can use without having to buy it, so that later it doesn't end up lying in a corner here at home.

P.S.:
Would the red usb scanner (number 2 in the image) also work?
If "yes", what is this scanner?

[AndyIreland]

I got someone out of that 'connect diagnostic tool' last year sometime with someone remotely over the internet , I wish I could remember how I done it now it wasnt on this later of model medianav , it was either earlier medianav (9.1.3) or Rlink1 ... i just think I filled out all parameters and aftersales date and hard reset and bang, on restart the message went ... I know one thing I did not fill out the acoustic values (because I wouldnt know where to start with them parameters) - and the person just had a normal bluetooth elm327 (with amended y cable)

[KarelSvo]

@AndyIreland
micom
There are different Micom buttons that you shouldn't press and with different effects.
At an0nimo it is the Virgin button.
This reset to the ECU manufacturer configuration means a loss of acoustic parameters and other parameters. That's why the diagnostic tool should be connected.

[an0nimo]

@AndyIreland
Below are the screenshots of DDT4ALL that I wrote the modifications. In first moment I didn't get write in "UI config" but after some attempt, I got make the changes.

👉 👉 I didn't get write only the acoustics parameters.

[AndyIreland]

have you tried setting 'can timeout' at bottom of pageto 600ms and see what happens?
Have you tried using PyREN program?
Have you tried sending MACRO through PyREN?

[an0nimo]

@AndyIreland

have you tried setting 'can timeout' at bottom of pageto 600ms and see what happens?

No. I'll try.

Have you tried using PyREN program?

No. This is the first time I've heard about this program. I'll research about it.

Have you tried sending MACRO through PyREN?

No, as I explained previously.

[KarelSvo]

Sendscript = PyRen Macro

I understood and it sems be the same that is being taught in article below, changing pins connections 6->13 and 12->14 between car OBD socket and ELM socket:
https://www.drive2.ru/l/468057702971474426/

@an0nimo
In your Russian link there is nothing about sending acoustic parameters.
But in this link here and here with the same note that success depends on the performance of the interface.

And those are my experiences too.

The red symbol in ddt4all switches the baud rate to 115200.
This is the standard baud rate for OBDLINK SX, OBDLINK EX, ELS27, VLINKER FS and other interfaces with large buffers.
OBDLINK designate their chip with STN.

[KarelSvo]

have you tried setting 'can timeout' at bottom of pageto 600ms and see what happens?

Sending via the marcro terminal starts with the maximum Can Timeout setting.
https://gitlab.com/py_ren/pyren/-/blob/master/pyren/macro/init.txt?ref_type=heads#L48
https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Widgets/ELM327_AT_Commands.pdf

[an0nimo]

I got to install pyREN watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5IOZ-skiD8
I updated the database to that of the Can Clip V270.
After opening pyREN and clicking the "Start pyren" button, I typed the option 44 KWID BR XBB and the RADIO ECU and MULTIMIDIA ECU were found.
In the ECU RADIO, I typed the 12 DDT settings option and a window opened with fields similar to DDT4ALL.
I wrote all the acoustic parameters contained in the sendSCRIPTS file "ULC4.1_ACOUSTIC_PARAMETERS_2_SPEAKERS.cmd" and pressed HARD RESET but the problem continues.
I went back to pyREN through the previous steps, went to the STAT1 option and the acoustic parameters were read, as shown in the screen recording I made:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrYZYSIHKfh0sHczihyWXy6wUx5k3Mhl/view
In DDT4ALL these acoustic parameters are not shown but there is a read error message.

[an0nimo]

Hi guys.
I am back and now with good news: I GOT !!

I didn't need to use pyREN's MACRO option to rewrite the acoustic parameters. The "DDT screens" option has screens very similar to DDT4ALL and it was easy to copy the acoustic parameters and paste them into the respective fields to be rewritten.
The pyREN rewrote everything without to burst my ELM's buffer, and it was even fast at work.
I used the acoustic parameters from the ULC_gen4_v1.4_20181217T103824.xml file that is shown in the penREN list as a choice option, but even after rewriting them in Media Nav the message to connect the "diag tool" remained.
Only after changing 02 settings was I able to hear the pleasant beep sound:
1- MAP SELECTION -> 2323:##: No Map
2- Vehicle type for RVC -> 16:Guideline for XBB
Then, after the HARD RESET, Media Nav was resurrected, starting to beep at the initial Renault logo. Then just enter the 4-number Media Nav code and run for a hug... LOL
SPECIAL THANKS:
KarelSvo || AndyIreland

Two things that I would like to know yet:
1- If you could recommend a website that explains each abbreviation for the settings.
I.e.:
In the USER INTERFACE, what does AHA, RES and TMC mean?
What is the difference between WAKE UP from ACC and from SYSTEM ON ?
What does E-CALL mean and other nomenclatures.
2- Before, when I openned the car by key control a big digital clock was shown on Media Nav screen and I need to press power button to star the Median Nav interface to select the radio station, etc.
I think that is some setting of the car and not of the Media Nav because after the car returned from the service, when I opened the car using the key control, the Media Nav interface with the icons already appeared and no longer the large digital clock.
Someone knows about that?

Thank you so much for everyone that help me of any way.
P.S.: I did a video explained all procedure and after edit it I will put here the link.
RESTORING MEDIA NAV v2.0.9.9 - "System not configured. Please connect Diag tool"

[an0nimo]

Thank you but before post my previous message I had tried already Wake up from ACC and from SYSTEM ON but didn't work both.
I will go continue to search if has some list of DDT4ALL explaining about each settings.

[Furtif]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aha.android.app&hl=fr&gl=US&pli=1

[an0nimo]

I didn't understand.
Anyway, I forgot to inform that I got to make the digital clock appear on the Media Nav screen by changing the configuration of the BIC/A2/A3 module and not through the Media Nav settings. I just don't know if the changes made are correct and incomplete.
I created a new specific discussion with this subject to not talking about in this discussion, to not mixing the topics.
"Settings for ECO DRIVE and digital clock for the Media Nav of the KWID BR"

EDIT:
The app link shows what the "AHA" do in the USER INTERFACE.

[AndyIreland]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aha_(streaming_service)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT7gB-2e6mU

[Furtif]

In récents media nav aha is in but is obsulet because it uses CarPlay and android auto aha ok at to 9.3.x média nav at windows ce