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frankly I'll be honest, Chouard he's a good guy he has ideas but he is indoctrinated by his extreme right friends when he begins to speak of borders we sense that goes beyond its subject, criticizing globalism it is one thing but you have put your finger on specific items to get out of the fog
 by cons I recognize that it has merit to invest in its cause
 finally good because you stop talking about it, all is not throwing as many find common issues
Take a seat, anthony, settle down comfortably 
 Is not a subject that is not debate here I am comfortably thank you, haha
All is not good to take home Chouard, certainly
 Then keep only what brings us Sent, I hardly supports the inaccuracies then I will not let what I see: Etienne Chouard's borders especially in reading Debray "Praise border" which has nothing to do with a quote " right-wing indoctrination
@Reveur And what topics you that drives you?
me what bothers me is that countries such as France benefiting from weak currencies (eg in Africa) to steal the resources of this country
 what bothers me is that the last section of the preamble 46 is still not respected (CFA franc etc
) while it was inspired by a speech of 44 and the blood flowed, Africa has sacrificed his son for Europe and France and today they are treated as a sub-continent and me it gives me the creeps
 I watched the debate between firstly the economist and philosopher Fric Lordon and secondly anthropologist David Graeber
 I was impressed by their difference in that Lordon seemed to have a kind of political program (end of private ownership of means of production, for example) while Graeber simply wanted "to be left to the people to speak
@Reveur Yes that is what I say it critical for the eu borders too porous, as the extreme right
Jotting "as far right" allows to discredit the idea
 It is a form of sophistry useful to avoid substantive debate
xD I have to search half the words you use
Glad to raise the level Seriously, what bothers me in the first place is that there is inconsiderable number of injustices in this country
 In this sense, I fully support the idea of ??convergence of struggles
The trouble is converging but yes to what?
The question "what to bring together the struggles?" and I bring a solution in this post: https://pouvoiraupeuple
com/2016/04/14/le-point-de-convergence-des-luttes-mene-a-la-souverainete
The point of convergence of struggles leads to sovereignty
Fric Lordon said: "In France, someone who says that he is neither right nor left is invariably right, or right end
 "This injunction political commentators & # 821
this is not a disease to be left in general is assumed
good this time I'm really still dsl for the inconvenience bye
The problem is that say "left" or "right" or "center" does not suggest a popular solution, because it cleaves the people
 What I am advocating in this post is to put aside labels (eg I'm libertarian in terms of moral values ??but I do not put it forward because it is cleaving)
the problem is that to was in agreement must content
I do not wish to cleave a moral, but to unite on a meta-political struggle that is to say, a struggle that transcends current divisions and will allow us to unite on the type of social and institutional structures that we wish to see emerge
A left and right there are people who want to fight against neoliberalism, respect freedom of expression, save social security
these structures must be Dase on ideology, which has been determine
To determine and / or provide all the values ??and objectives that unite us, do not hesitate to participate on #projet_commun
hello brother, I am going there soon The only ideology that go away is one that temporarily puts aside all the others, by uniting to implement democratic meta-political structures we need
I just read a little up there anthony, the "end of private ownership of the means of production" is not an idea invented by Lordon, I do not know if it can reasonably qualify program
but it's that I'm not you, you can not determine "meta-democratic political structures we need" without ideological basis
"An ideology is a predefined system of ideas, also called categories, from which reality is analyzed, as opposed to an intuitive knowledge of perceived tangible reality
@ Homer242: thank you for this definition
 How do you succeed in extracting an ideology 'unique' by inspiring you to such thinkers: Franis Asselineau, Sylvain Baron, Aurien Bernier, Olivier Berruyer, Jean Bricmont, ienne Chouard Francis Cousin, Michel Collon, Franck Lepage Fric Lordon, Jacques Sapir Alain Soral?
must give power back to the people
 It seems to me a sensible reality perceived by all
It's simple: I center my reflection on the meta-policy
 That is to say, how one sets superior rules for operation of the democratic process
@Reveur: So write a new constitution
we are in democracy, we vote for those we want 
I think we can not speak of "democracy" without a fundamental critique of the values ??that support it
besancon: this is not a democracy, it is a plutocracy
Exactly, it's a plutocratic oligarchy
No, the system is each vote, and each vote has the same value
besancon: we vote for those that the most seen in the media
and the media guide the electoral battle
there are hundreds of ways to organize the votes and they influence the results
No this is the system that is illusory
 As long as we imagine voting to establish power over a majority, it will not change anything
 Majorities are already based on the established power
besancon: people vote as they are told
and there are mass influence techniques, I think of astroturfing (those who have access to research UNmotor be interested)
This will not change people will always suggestible
besancon: they are easily influenced because the system ensures that we are not interested in politics
that means everything and nothing impressionable, the problem is rather that a minority of dominant influence of a majority of dominated
us, our job is to work and then to repay the credit 
Hello everyone I am good coordination on the channel?
the mechanisms of mass influence are identifiable and possible to remove (I think the media held by the richest of the richest)
No, the problem is that many people prefer the matter to TV places to take tte on subjects of which they were not familiarized
if he does not prcupe is that their system plaient
 We can not have a democratic system if we stupefies watching TV and resigns what is happening in our neighborhood, city, region, country 
the television industries consciously play with the scientific knowledge of addiction to pleasure 
Feel free to carry on your conversations #blabla to facilitate the arrival of newcomers ^^
I think we need a system that puts the citizen in politics
if you see the audience as victims of images dealers, suddenly, they are far less responsible ^^
ah ok I arrived, I thought it was nice to be greeted with a debate
Perhaps you like me to come to the conclusion that leaving the majority choose is inefficase, essential questions are asked to people who know nothing there and it is expected that the most popular answer is the right
It will work well then we would desfois do something else
 If we force everyone to be active against the policy
 If one is educated from childhood
 It will be wall to a true democracy
besancon you see is what I suggested this idea permit vote
not you see, it is the logical consequence to a concrete problem
besancon: it is to qualify but I also see more elections as a power against (someone too unpopular will not be renewed) than a real exercise of power
besancon defends negative the appearance of a strong leader, which is the program of the extreme right, who tries, as we know, to direct the movement
 It starts from the recognition that we share (the vote does not) to bring us to "we need a leader who knows better than the others"
bordeaux: no, not a leader but a team dirigente 
for me democracy is not only of all exercise our power by the state apparatus but also to limit its power and guarantee civil liberties to organize ALSO in other forms of exercise of power as a demonstration night standing
VDSO thank you, I'm interested to me is how the fran it will coordinate and agree
 Can t have overcome egos to arrive at common points of convergence in a country like ours? What tools are in place to arrive at a common coordination between the different ag?
no management team will know better than me what life, and will have access to the creativity that comes from a group of intelligence
personally I think many people in this movement limit their political vision for a reform of the state and representative system as politics and power are also outside this framework
@galaad why France should it remain as it? We have known for some time that democracy works best in smaller groups, coordinate the whole France is to launch a challenge that we will be able to deal with much more experience
France is changing and evolving, there is today in every city people who are open ag to defend their rights, blocked the national scene, the problem and the major challenge (for me) is the coordination between all its ag and all his fights
 Can you do me by your conclusions in relation to the concept works best in small groups? it is not currently creating this experience and the reason for the cat?
This comment by bookmarking system is brilliant, sharp tool
there are minutes of ag we can take a little from day to day what it says instead of the republic
I found a qque but I know if it's day
Each city is organized in its own way on this, I would say
fr/actualite/societe/toulouse-tigrou-agresse-les-participants-de-nuit-debout-avec-un-parapluie_1784100
Toulouse: Tigger assaulted participants of Night Stand with umbrella
Monday night, well drunk man dressed as Tigger attacked the participants of Night Stand, Place du Capitole in Toulouse
 Before ending the evening in custody
On this point it will be interesting to all online accounts rendered ag each city, then make groupings of commissions on the same subjects, the movement of Toulouse offers a trial component: https://wiki
fr / wiki / Cities / Toulouse / Proposition_de_processus_constituant
Cities / Toulouse / Proposal process constituting NuitDebout
fr/wiki/Histoire_des_mouvements_sociaux publication of Article 2 today
History of social movements NuitDebout
 suggestion: >> recent contemporary?
irl Current, as the indignant, occupy, etc
(Because as I see no link in 1848 and 1870 I tick 
I will discuss in another article that is planned, I will also do a series on the 3 mandates Thatcher etc to try to vary the geographic, temporal, political and cultural
I have done a little cleaning of the preamble @ Z
(By cons I would suggest to bring out - somewhere / typo - about the "history and analysis of citizens' movements and initiatives and alternative policies, pitfalls to avoid - with plural testimonies"
in the sense that it is not history to make history - c seriously intended lesson to not crash Do a little pub to this video, for those who have not seen
Fight for our rights - A Bit of History # 11
yes it is true that it is not just the story, in fact I'm trying to find sociologists, ethnologists to participate in articles in the college where I am to feed and diversify the views intellectuals
and suggestions for recent moves:
Or rather by adding this link to the documents you are working on to give other tracks, other information, perhaps a different vision 
Public consultation on the redevelopment of Republic Square 2008-9
then talk to Nico M, Institute Biolo cooperative ^^
And if people have access to university / authors / journalists who would be likely to answer questions through interviews organized for Night Stand, it can be very interesting
@Momo: RadioDebout, TVDebout, wiki, wherever we can disseminate information and ideas
Message developers / processors of http://www
fr website: It is normal that the program is March 50 in double (not the same)?
Every day there are thousands to occupy public space to take our place in the Republic
 Join us now, and decide together our common future in this political movement or party without banners
Reminder: we organize the TVdebout a "AG the AG" on Friday 53 March
I look for the video of the GA 48 on Sunday!
I propose that we discuss in #agdesag you know where I can find it, I intervened and I hope that this important speech I can make it known
Niort: you plan to change how cities / Digital ???
com/watch?v=A-TrShzKtFY&index=3&list=PLlxYmhUBOogyBIoBqeA7mHX1SXOvTbMSD
TvDebout # 48Mars - Popular Assembly
irl: I can not find the post @ JuKap
 The report city / digital, I see it focused on the ability of every citizen to find the wealth of its territory (actors operating there, initiatives that develop there, events in which I participate - meeting, debate, theater, puppet reading, street furniture, etc
 A tool approaching the digital real push for the meeting and exchange 
 For then envisioned citizen dynamics, collective and local or even global
File Uploaded: QandA, taking messages contact
 I have a current project you might be interested
 It depends on a similar application to Twitter; it works in a question - answer filmed
 I explained everything in the doc that I add an attachment
 Thank you in advance for your response !
_SE arises when frankly the question of / cities rather than / places_
@yannou thank you, if you can duplicate in the channel # nuitdebout
I am creating an information page on the wiki about the AG of the AG, I warn?
irl: I use a tool that is made for it with my associations
 Already used to reference all entities (organizations - projects - events) and as to evolve with new modules that put the citizen at the center of local life and decisions (resource sharing, voting, local currency)
org is also open source and open a model that can be a good example of organizations and governance horizontal and open to lesnuitsdebouts
most of the formatting of hyperlinks names @mex
@bouboule 1 - copy paste if this is done on the description of digital tools Wiki
And to the question / cities rather than / places
 A city contains places for example
 I see instead (in English) as a place
 A place can be an ephemeral debate of place (eg nacelle 2
0), a harvesting area, a shared furniture (eg collective etc), a shared garden, a place of expression (type agora Republic Square) etc
 (Respecting formatting work of Julius if you do not mind)
I think there is already, I still check
Indeed it is in this link https://wiki
fr/wiki/Ressources/Liste_d%27outils_num%C3%A9riques 
 The list of tools magnified at high speed
Resources / List of digital tools NuitDebout
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An idea (already aired on https://gazettedebout
org/2016/04/16/les-mots-de-la-nuit): release of sovereign debt by the francs (Citizens Bank of France)
April 16, 2016 # 47mars, Injusticiables, Cyril
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night person standing in support of periscope?
In the Constitution, stipulate that:
Citizen Bank of France only for notes and coins in francs redeemable against
In part against the Citizens Bank of France repays the capital of the SOVEREIGN DEBT (no interest, a way to punish wear use)
The Issuing Bank controlled francs seamlessly by citizens and led to the consensus of general assemblies votes, for example
This currency in francs, without credit card or check, that parts and against the Exchangeable Notes, promote an economy made up of peasants, artisans, small traders, independent citizens, and compete on home soil in their current use a currency that is not the black, they are francs
Moreover, once refunded sovereign debt, which would take its meaning in a democracy, this currency issued by Citizens Bank of France would fund a social policy (socialism) under the control of citizens who could vote in general meetings the main guidelines this policy funded by francs (not so in the voting booth) and apply when doing CONSENSUS
What do you think of this as socialism exercise of democracy?
I think we should make a great banquet and use the local currency as menhir, by cons must not prohibit the fresh fish
I am for real and not virtual currency
@stocky: if you do not like the banks, the franc will be done for you too 
@cyrildelacour: maybe you should post on reddit ca
should you take the Bastille at the moment, or do the Vabque Citizen of France (that's with the venom of the snake that is prepared its antidote)
the nearest military barracks in paris? xD
 Large festive banquets where you burn bankers and shareholders by way of entertainment, we would round and we would dance to the sound of the accordion
Night Stand is an "anti system" French movement
 Because with menhirs pockets full we may need it, the magic potion
# Inquiry-on-the-violence lounge opens its doors, many come !!
I look for people who will be neutral to complete our investigation of violence during the movement nuitdebout
com/r/nuitdebout/comments/4fhjo0/libation_de_la_dette_souveraine_par_le_franc
Release of sovereign debt by the Franc / r / nuitdebout
An idea submitted to consensus Use francs In the Constitution, stipulate that: The Citizens Bank of France only tickets and 
@cyrildelacour: ca keeps you wrote somewhere like that people who are interested can read and comment on them
@cyrildelacour: because-here it's going to stay a while and then it'll jicler with messages from other people
@Ubik: It is not about to burn, but to change against the Franks for a first time to break free of sovereign debt (and use of the Franks, a currency course only works if there is many to use)
Burn what you loved, love what you burned
Ticket 5 Euros burned in Saint Montan, a village named after Montanus hermit who predicted the birth of Celine bishop Remi of Reims who baptized and crowned 
I look for people who will be neutral to complete our investigation of violence during the movement nuitdebout survey #-on-the-violence
@stocky: here I look for the debate
@cyrildelacour: will you also a debate on reddit
The basic income, a new social contract? (Arte)
I find that these idylls of France self-sufficient and cut off from the world with a closed economy it even unrealistic, less than a retreat into extreme chauvinism, to prohibit foreign trade and make a wall around the country
 Enquel if you can what you want because I would have moved
I love this kind of argument, or you agreed to internationalism, or you're a freak who wants to lock you up in a bunker and never tell anyone
@lucas_dev_paris: a currency exchange
 We went in after the attacks of 11 September 2001 (I think it attaches to an evil spirit)
 So already competing with the on its own soil, by use, it does not prevent the "trade" that can be done with other currencies, as long as the latter is accepted by of other banks, and it depends on the social credit, ie its use in society
 The key is to know that we want society
 I think globalism request to find limits and a currency promoting an economy of peasants, artisans, small traders, and independent (no CB or checks) would be a power-cons
I would say we should do as in america post intependance
I think this is already the case in Switzerland too
 View full currency initiative to give exclusivity to the currency issue to a national bank
yes this is the case you got the SNB which prints the private banks but the system is the same as with the Bank Europeen
If we use that come francs a Citizens Bank (managed and directed by the citizens) voluntarily (by sacrificing for the Franks) who collected with reimburses the capital of the sovereign debt, at least we know what stick: using francs we free of debt, it opens in the future
a way of return (reverse?) the problem
how the fact to libya to repay debt?
what not, I know the more countries that have ressis to repay this debt
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countries that have truly independent national banks are threatened with wars
See the side of the Bank of Internationnaux Regulations
usurers this ruse, it wears users
Obama madman from the jaws of Holland before a room full of journalists!
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I find absurd ca to compete with the euro as another currency managed by the state
 for me it is indeed one liberalizes currency or local currency is made as @stocky said either we return to the franc and leaving the euro
Varoufakis wanted to launch a plan in the genre with a Greek local currency remaining in the euro but nobody followed, in my opinion because of this fact is equivalent to leaving the euro
@lucas_dev_paris: the franc will not be managed by the state but by a French citizen bank, to see how it works (its constitution)
@ Corentin592_dev_londres: yeah when I hear back a former France small artisans and small farmers 
 take switzerland, countries as international banks such ca is not credible
@lucas_dev_paris: I do not take the example of Switzerland, but thought that it develops around the full currency initiative
the problem is that out of 30 years of opening borders with the results we know
@cyrildelacour: yes but it would have a monopoly on the local currency, which would be guaranteed by the state, otherwise it is the liberalization of currency and I do not believe either you defend ca
it is being discussed on the losing Romain now such
@stocky: eme It seems that is the Sweden or Norway who has no debts and has regained growth
open borders this ne'st not bad either
the Vatican bank also has a right?
how? From 2008 it condemned and imprisoned banker (as we subsidizing them with public money)
the vatican is connected to the bank of Italy
@stocky: yes there was also major scandals on the bank of the Vatican
@stocky: no, the opening abroad is enriching (or risky), but we suffer from excesses, then we must develop alternative
@momo ah but it gets worse, hungary led orban which is really extreme right for once just to repay its debt http://www
fr/flash-actu/2016/04/06/97001-20160406FILWWW00150-la-hongrie-a-rembourse-l-integralite-de-sa-dette
after that is the principle of anti-globalization: make another globalization that deregulation of capital flows
frank currency wear and free to use
@ Corentin592_dev_londres yes, ca much tells me that sovereignism
@lucas_dev_paris: ah He is apparently good title is exaggerated anyway, she just repaid a loan to the IMF
after the bankers are not necessarily aware they doing shit
Why is growth so necessary that we impose in the name of competitiveness at solidarity prices, it requires the sacrifice of living?
Would this not to honor the interests that fund?
This wear, as a means to parasitize the economy and as favorable to a minority principle that the passage nothing "socialist" as the foundation of capitalism, allows money to make money, not only in contempt of work, but also our social and especially so natural environment
So to not be compelled to growth or to war, do we not outlaw usury, starting money creation?
Must still be sovereign to decide, but our democracy is deprived of sovereignty by usurpers
To understand this we must be aware of what the value placed in the measure of all things instead of keeping measure in everything, tearing the darkness that surrounds the creation of money and why so many sacrifices are made
It is not easy and even a banker shows its difficulty understanding what money is
 So here's a lesson in democracy by a Swiss banker: https://youtu
When children fight over a toy and because I do not like lying to them: "I do not believe in Santa Claus, if the toys belong to the dispute, confiscated!" They understand and learn autonomy in setting their own conflicts
 I just reminded them the function of a toy (the first property)
The first function of money was to facilitate trade, and now it is a means by usury, appropriating and reserve riches while imposing a form of slavery through debt
In this insurrectionary period (as many prefects and for a while now, and for example with #NuitDebout movement) many slaves are ready to repress other slaves to the money, but it should not be more royalist than the King?
The fact is that cash is king, sovereign debt, the fallen people, very fallen!
We are plutocracy, we are not a democracy
But the plutocracy can be born democracy, as the venom antidote
Keep in mind that a tree does not sell fruits, money is not vital
Specifically how to make money an antidote?
A Swiss banker explains in 36 minutes the scam of money creation (part
Follow Modernocratie to support us on facebook and stay informed about the democratic project in Switzerland! https: //www
In the Constitution, stipulate that:
Citizen Bank of France only for notes and coins in francs redeemable against
In part against the Citizens Bank of France repays the capital of the SOVEREIGN DEBT (no interest, a way to punish wear use)
The Issuing Bank controlled francs seamlessly by citizens and led to the consensus of general assemblies votes, for example
This currency in francs, without credit card or check, that parts and against the Exchangeable Notes, promote an economy made up of peasants, artisans, small traders, independent citizens, and compete on home soil in their current use a currency that is not the black, they are francs
Moreover, once refunded sovereign debt, which would take its meaning in a democracy, this currency issued by Citizens Bank of France would fund a social policy (socialism) under the control of citizens who could vote in general meetings the main guidelines this policy funded by francs (not so in the voting booth) and apply when doing CONSENSUS
What do you think of this as socialism exercise of democracy?
@cyrildelacour: ca copy on reddit @cyrildelacour: I think it would be nice to avoid the posts has extension like that, especially repeatedly
bouboule thank you to the tool list, it will serve us and thank you to those who organize wiki that is very well done
So here (to keep the links): https://redd
Why growth is necessary (interests) / r / nuitdebout
Why is growth so necessary that we impose in the name of competitiveness at solidarity prices, she asks 
Release of sovereign debt by the Franc / r / nuitdebout
An idea submitted to consensus Use francs In the Constitution, stipulate that: The Citizens Bank of France only tickets and 
Well basically leave the state only create money, that will prevent abuse of the banks
ben ca is a bank, even if it is public servants who manage
@lucas_dev_paris: is it to read: Citizens Bank of France managed transparently (not independent) and directed by consensus by the General Meetings of the French bank which
it is a chemical equation, there will always be people who want to enjoy, there will always be people who will not be benefited
@stocky: prevention is better than cure: this new constitution Citizens Bank of France
This is not the French bank, but the bank of AGs, nuance
 ND Just look to see that the AGs are subject to the same struggles and abuse of power that the system in place
I note that the periscope Romain Leclerc it was about (money) in Paris Republic Square just a few minutes 
#breakingnews radiodebout has decided to close its site, I do not know any more for the moment
So it would in addition Citizen Bank of France is decentralized (see cybernetic principles), so dependent on general meetings (plural): a new praxis
for me it would be enough to let the European Central Bank the possibility of inflation, because basically it is ca debate on austerity and independence
no need to overhaul the whole system and destroy the EU in passing in my opinion
@lucas_dev_paris: better to let the franc to citizens and usurers, these vultures!
moreover they started last year it seems to do quantitative easing
@lucas_dev_paris: I have not personally "advantage" of printing money (scriptural writings) European, but instead I see his misdeeds
@lucas_dev_paris: I do not think the only one to see it
@lucas_dev_paris: to put it simply, are cursed!
Output or not the euro, not being an economist is hard to choose
 But at a minimum it would take a public debate, instead of ca we are told only that the output of the euro c is a disaster, a disaster for that? And night stand lets discuss these issues, it's been fun!
 I heard a woman screaming on a REDIF of radiodebout on gender and the right woman
 I just want to say that ca useless she screams
 it will not ecoutand she knows it
 then instead of shouting it should rather make them think
@guigz: out of as I have suggested, is an idea subject to the consensus to use francs issued by a bank dependent citizens that underpin the project to release all sovereign debt in a first time, then fund a social policy under the control of citizens
bjr, someone would know how to cut the cat's sound notifications
* Citizens (who are interested and participating)
@cyrildelacour: totally agree - but it is clearly a revolutionary idea! difficult to reasonably measure the consequences, it deserves a real debate feasibility
 Long live the struggle! @guigz: yes !!!!
rac: clicks on the "!" in the address bar
Hello, I'm new and I love pareticiper and be useful, what can I do? I am English (fluent French and English) and I studied the UK policy
 Thank you! (Other than translation)
@anonboxis: I pass you in the PV link
thank you not to abuse the @ all! it is 1854 people here!
@ Benjamin-Paris-Digital: I forwarded the link to the https://framacalc
Framacalc - collaborative spreadsheet online
fr/channel/traduction drouiler you
Wednesday my reddit links are "broken" grrrr
@stocky: immediately released immediately "broken"
it/4fhpni shows me an error page (humorous?)
Why growth is necessary (interests) / r / nuitdebout
Why is growth so necessary that we impose in the name of competitiveness at solidarity prices, she asks 
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* Private Message it also works x)
@stocky: on my twitter and my browser the shortlinks do not work? I'm not a computer but it seems a bit odd
@anonboxis: ok, thank you, it reassures me (some)
@anonboxis: currently have a revolutionary idea can be dangerous, so much the spread fast fast fast 
About the show changed to: Welcome to the chat Nights Stand by jndvdcn
Wow, I just saw the video talk Varoufakis a night stand and this is my friend who made the tradution the microphone
@anonboxis: I liked her treatment of the translation, as if Varoufakis it was totally "equal" 
@anonboxis: another good sign, extraordinary 5mn Varoufakis, barely more than others by counting the time taken for the translation 
@anonboxis: and welcome the public, mixed, Varoufakis struggle symbol, but fails 
I think that now is not so bad (diem25)
@anonboxis: for me the truths that are revealed, people awakening: shared enthusiasm!
com/watch?v=EbgO9MJnAgE XDDDDDDDDD
State of Emergency, the US Army wants s to France for safety (Dictatorship 
@stocky: there are not enough of CRS?
I do not know even if the video is serious
If you want to help a very nice person (me) to write an article on the use of free software at night it goes up on the channel #interviews
This kind of items: would respond on the form because the expressed logic is unacceptable: http://www
fr/politique/consigny-il-faut-evacuer-la-place-de-la-republique-19-04-2016-2033429_20
Consigny - must evacuate the Republic Square
Terrorized by almost everything, the government prefers to leave to settle a ZAD in central Paris
 Night stand, it is above all lying Day
I suggest we make bio soup to tell them we are not happy
And we could share videos also internets
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guigz: any article published entitled to one answer is the right of reply 
 I suggest that each participant at night standing request that is issued its own right of reply ^^
According 20Minutes Varoufakis appreciate Macron ?????
dictatuuureuuuh in bienvenuuuuu franceuuuh in republiqueuu in laquelleuuu cesars viendraaaaa
Lille: for the "right of reply" experience (the media spreading the lies of Struck MP who make me look like a faith) that "right of reply" does not exist in some cases (when Freemasonry ordered some obscurantism)
@roing: RIP the people who are medef
Lille: and on a timely topic: the hidden work of children (not sanctioned by the state, on the contrary)
They will start their soup bio above
And load them from internet videos
Cyril: when you speak of "Freemasons" who orders a obscurantism, I must admit that you make yourself very well pass for a fool alone ^^
the franc masonry actually exists is not a lie either @ Lax
Lille: not wrong! but in addition to this approach discuss the arguments in committee (after such communication) may be interesting then respond by web media as the site or wiki to centralize
 This is an idea I aps over more thoughtful than ca
 But it annoys me this kind of items
TAKING THE MEDEF AMIENS #onvautmieuxqueca #loitravail #cip #nuitdebout @ nuitdebout80 @medef
Chinese Freemasons Jews who control the media and the soup recipe bio, and that prevent us from sharing videos on the Internet while writing false news items in local newspapers
Good evening to all, I just Messina in Italy and I suggested to friends to launch a Night Stand
# 49mars #nuitdebout #livedebout #reporterdebout #tvdeboutlive #Republique Katch # # stmaur #action surpise Paris, TX
@guigz: everyone can send individual right of reply, and Night Stand ask that everything be published as a single right answer I think
Nonviolent Action FLASH #nuitdebout Paris Paris, TX
 it's a ghost town of a participatory point of view and it'll be difficult to involve teachers to talk about right but I have to because I'm French 
Nonviolent Action FLASH #nuitdebout Paris Paris, TX
Nonviolent Action FLASH #nuitdebout Paris Paris, TX
# 49mars #nuitdebout #livedebout #reporterdebout #tvdeboutlive #Republique Katch # # stmaur #action surpise Paris, TX
@guigz: I let you take care of you then, I can not, I'm Lille Metci stocky
fr/banlieues/article/2016/04/14/le-mouvement-nuit-debout-peine-a-s-etendre-en-banlieue_4901663_1653530
Night movement standing barely extend s suburbs
Manifest seems far from the daily concerns of the inhabitants of Paris
is repressed for longer and more difficult than Paris
I know it would hurt the ass and hurt Macbook two or three people Repub 'to go, but it would not hurt to involve those most concerned, right?
Lille: I speak from experience, so I have proof
you defend Freemasonry through which it must pass (at one time?), according to Holland, when one believes in their republic? https://youtu
F Holland: "You have to go through Freemasonry if one believes in the republic"
should already take an interest in their history
I thought I read that ca take into suburban and commuter 7villes already had organized ND (via twitter)
faciement you fall into the trap of division brought by media @stocky: Freemasonry as you love? http://blogs
fr/lumiere-franc-macon/2015/03/14/le-frere-depute-ps-pascal-terrasse-agresse
Brother MP PS Pascal Terrasse assaulted
"I just eradicate international Masonic network!" It is with his cries, Thursday, March 12, the aggressor Pascal Terrace, PS deputy of the Ardeche and member of GODF, lunged at his victim by hitting her a slap and then a headbutt
Jai never say love franc masonry xD
I simply said that she really existed
Wow, you really want the media in general, you know there's not that bad huh journalists
@stocky: after denouncing the obscurantism that rules on libation
fr money creation in 2009, Freemasonry fell on me with the film "Tom The Truant" In 2010 (aggressive manipulation based on the narcissism) see http://tom-le-cancre
movie film whose behind the scenes turns to family drama to the actress and the youngest plateau photographer father
Well, I thought you were conspi less' than that and less interneto-centered, so I'll resign myself, not to join and continue throwing cobblestones at random throughout the world, unfortunately
@satanicwarmaster: Media form the first power because they spread beliefs that prevail
Fortunately there Google the great oracle to tell the truth always, right?
eg "propaganda is to release the wear is at its reference shareholder"
It may well be good journalists, your speech is not good to hear you, we should all take is the discourse of fascists
Even good journalists must adhere to a media field in poor condition
@satanicwarmaster: no, we have to stop believing the lies broadcast on TV for example, the most effective is to have no TV 
theguardian are some nice they helped snowden xD
That does not stop to accept bias, people can judge and think for themselves, you know everyone is not stupid in this world
The problem is not journalism, but conivence with power, men of power 
 The links of politicians with the bosses of the 'trusts' media
 So suddenly the editorial lines are very far from what is called information, and closer to the propagade as it is filtered and serve interests foremost
If there were not good journalists I have nothing knew about this movement 
 I am shocked to know that you are also organized
Elelinde, how do you explain that you learn every day on this or that man / political party
guard dogs or kept (packaged) held by the wages of fear of losing the skin noodles and sockets
There are quality media, or alternative institutions, like it or not
Now everyone detect the infomercial or not
@satanicwarmaster: Miapart? The hidden work of children (2 DIRECCTE): no response
 Lives on, "Freemasonry" systematically censored
But not stop raving with Freemasonry
I know the hidden things attract the barge
The guy has had a bad experience with a Mason uncle
I do not know, buys books Dont You Are The Heroes
masonry franc is still no denying the
@satanicwarmaster: with a nickname like the holds is maybe you should stop with Freemasonry
 Mediapart for these are facts which I testify, I will inform you
Thank you for your foresight, we needed
Fortunately you have read on the internet haha
 if you had heard from bourdin ca would have more credit? * Not * not * tapper tapper *
 @ Virgile_r LIVE is #Periscope Nonviolent Action FLASH #nuitdebout Paris https://www
Nonviolent Action FLASH #nuitdebout Paris Paris, TX
@elelinde thank you for your "brilliant" speech 
there's something I find a bit absurd, instead of taking up arms, the Arab peoples are in europe
Mediapart for years that I tanned them with this: undeclared work (with the complicity of Mediapart also therefore) children to the cinema, that is "justice"? It condemns the father who is opposed by removing parental authority, in the harassing
 Public powers? Complicit themselves too
 What is Mediapart (documents and evidence submitted)? No one answer
movie film whose behind the scenes turns to family drama to the actress and the youngest plateau photographer father
com/cyrildphotos/status/722449692630654976
@mediapart why do not you answer? It is not in your line of sight # #travail the hidden children to the cinema #?
# 49mars #nuitdebout #livedebout #reporterdebout #tvdeboutlive #Republique Katch # # stmaur #action surpise Paris, TX
the franc masonry it may not be the priority, unless you want to discredit the movement by 5min
@cyrildelacour: So, Mediapart does not mention a Masonic thing that haunts you for years you're right, must print some a conspiracy somewhere!
"One of the first decisions may be whether everyone is welcome in the square
 Starting from the square, between the soup stand and playground, Thomas, a student came simply curious, tells mishap: "After asking me a cigarette, a girl said to me 'you are wearing a Barbour' [the name of a British brand], watch out, treated people of 'fascist' for less than it'
fr/societe/nuit-debout/expulsion-d-alain-finkielkraut-le-mouvement-nuit-debout-est-il-vraiment-democratique_1412095
Expulsion of Alain Finkielkraut: Night movement standing is it really democratic?
The academician was asked to leave the Republic Square on Saturday night and has been denouncing the excesses of the movement
freelance, activism, cogito, ergo, sum, wix
reims: Right, but the "credibility" of the media under his influence is in my opinion a danger to the movement
the media is more ORTF 50years ago
 This is the cat is free radios, this is what we want to do
equipe_traduction: If the hidden work of a film crew, including a child 15e is not valid with the labor law, I do not understand
Not a leaden dome above us that controls everything either
Ok there are people who have power, the dough, relationships, okay 
 But hey, it is we want good in any case, the masons francs can get out their trowels Jl'ai expected it is the system that will not precisely're all ing this sentence, the system
 people are all independent and linked together
reims: there is corruption and obscurantism, for example around money creation
 Who is responsible for this obscurantism is not my main focus, but my main concern (my daughter hostage): my aim is to rip obscurantism around money creation so that all sort winner of the "power "usurers that leads to ruin, including our environment
I'm not talking about Freemasonry, but it actually party like banks, countries, etc
the guy who speaks usurer while rates have never been lower 
but it is the pitch that freaks me Cyril It looks to me like a crazy hair
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit the Qur'an strongly condemns usury, and even announced a war Would you talk about these suras, or Islamic finance?
rates ? usurer? @ondortlejouronboitlanuit
ouch Usurers this ruse, it wears users!
@cyrildelacour: Islamic finance, you speak of the guys who pay with their Amex Centurion at 20%?
1% interest, this ruse, this ruse,
1% interest, that cunning usurers!
3% interest, this ruse, this ruse,
3% interest, that cunning usurers!
Should perhaps remove them the privilege of money creation, right?
I've never seen an Amex Centurion, is what color?
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: No I mean the one that works without "wear"
com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/AMEX-centurion-black-card
With my hourly rate farmer from Bangladesh, I am not going to change my card Moza
 That we learn to get around in the course of Islamic Finance Master of all quantitative finance world
@stocky: This is an Amex Centurion
 It is provided by invitation only, after an initial payment of 5000 USD and annual fees of 2500USD
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: I do not know, I know the suras that condemn usury as follows (I am a Christian): 275
 Those who eat [practice] of usury will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of the touch of Satan upset
 This is because they say: "Trade is just like usury," but Allah hath permitted trade and forbidden usury
 He, therefore, ceases as soon as it came an admonition from his Lord, may retain what he has previously acquired; his case is for Allah
 so these are the people of the Fire! They will abide therein
 Allah will deprive usury and made almsgiving fruitful
 And Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner
 O you who believe! Fear Allah; and give up what remains of usury, if you are believers
 And if you do not, then take a notice of war from Allah and His Messenger
 And if you repent, you shall have your capital
 You lerez person, and you will not be wronged
Personally I know that theory does not always mean practice
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: just as it is not so much religion, constitution or laws that matter, but what you make it
While Finance Auvergnate is much worse
@satanicwarmaster: your positions are eloquent on your positions
puree made by Muslims state they are downright currency parralel!
Thank you my little Cyril, I am delighted that you could draw conclusions with three crap I swing a cat webs on networks internets
@stocky: no, they are compromised and corrupt as all face finance (by cunning and by force if necessary)
It'll save you think of the Judeo-manno-China-reptilian conspiracy
@satanicwarmaster: hard to deny that the interests related to wear form the mobile to numerous plots
should think about making an Islamic bank in France yours XDDDD
@satanicwarmaster: so much express denial (and contempt), is not it?
@stocky: Citizens Bank or managed by the French
@cyrildelacour: what's the difference?
@cyrildelacour: one can imagine an Islamic bank managed by the french, finally there is the word that changes
are already cooperative banks, what is the difference with a citizens bank?
@stocky: bank managed by the French who use the money "frank wear" is an idea
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: it strikes the currency "national"
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: the ECB is especially independent voters, not a dependent citizen bank which uses the currency, not so difficult to understand, right?
@cyrildelacour I prefer independent institutions to those in the pay of this or that party!
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: idea submitted to consensus summarized here: https://redd
Release of sovereign debt by the Franc / r / nuitdebout
An idea submitted to consensus Use francs In the Constitution, stipulate that: The Citizens Bank of France only tickets and 
Good evening, some information on recent movements 2010/2011, the Occupy movement to try to take in Paris
But it was under Sarkozy, police pressure to Bastille and the gagging of the mainstream media that it did not take
fr/politique/article/2011/06/21/pourquoi-le-mouvement-des-indignes-reste-limite-en-france_1538605_823448
html in particular paragraph A police pressure complicating rallies
Because remember, France was indignant against the pension reform in October / November 2010 (3 million people in the street, blocking the start of raffineries)http://www
fr/politique/article/2010/10/29/retraites-62-ans-trois-millions-de-manifestants-26-de-popularite-pour-sarkozy_1433060_823448
net/node/135 CR General Assembly May 31, 2011 These committees meet at 16:30 Thursday, June 2, 2011, on the Boulevard Richard Lenoir
 Displaced to make them invisible, framed by CRS as impossible to do before the Bastille steps
 A permanent presence of CRS, 1 every 5 m for 2 months before the steps of the Bastille !! perhaps it has forgotten what France under Sarkozy (Hortefeux, Gueant Woerth Lagarde 
net/node/468 j will add to it an update on France
Pensions: 62 years, three million demonstrators
fr/politique/article/2010/10/29/retraites-62-ans-trois-millions-de-manifestants-26-de-popularite-pour-sarkozy_1433060_823448
Pensions: 62 years, three million demonstrators, 26% popularity for Sarkozy
Despite a decline in mobilization, Thursday, October 28, the unions called for further mobilization against pension reform
 Small encrypted journal of what made the debate and mobilization
CR General Meeting of 31 May 2011 | paris
Pensions: 62 years, three million demonstrators
fr/politique/article/2010/10/29/retraites-62-ans-trois-millions-de-manifestants-26-de-popularite-pour-sarkozy_1433060_823448
Pensions: 62 years, three million demonstrators, 26% popularity for Sarkozy
Despite a decline in mobilization, Thursday, Oct
 28, unions called for further mobilization against pension reform
 Small encrypted journal of what made the debate and mobilization
CR General Meeting of 31 May 2011 | paris
Pensions: 62 years, three million demonstrators, 26% popularity for Sarkozy
Despite a decline in mobilization, Thursday, Oct
 28, unions called for further mobilization against pension reform
 Small encrypted journal of what made the debate and mobilization
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: dependent on general meetings which decide the consensus guidelines of the bank (what words hide)
This is not the bastion that must be taken, but to the citizens of France bank
 The king is dead, long live the king!
com/post/138743670495/we-buy-bottles-you-buy-a-houseby-richlistjunior
st/self/1a66ed52f95200c37d3711950f561d670145ef5b
ooh I feel that identity begin to land here 
There are bank A citizen: the Nave
org/wiki/La_Nef_(entreprise) https://www
Nef, on the way to ethical banking
financial cooperative that offers savings and credit of solutions-oriented projects with a social utility, ecological and / or cultural
Oh nothing everyone has the right to speak, but I read stuff going back 
 well short Explode you Just try not to pollute the wire but #accueil discuss any anything in # blah or join a channel in the discussion topic of your choice, or create one
the reception is to welcome, not pourles debates, if not new is lost, thank you for your understanding!
Oh nothing everyone has the right to speak, but I read stuff going back 
 well short Explode you Just try not to pollute the wire but #accueil discuss any anything in # blah or join a channel in the discussion topic of your choice, or create one
ADMIN: but if the majority that it was chosen for the debate you can not do it much 
this is not "the majority", that is people who are barely, and who do not necessarily know that there are other existing chan etc 
 ON is 1800 here, if this is not a min; organized, this is crap
@ericperif: Yes, but the bank is not supported by public meetings and does not emit francs
It's already warm enough for the cat to organize do not spoiling them
The ideal use of the OPEN I chan says, is to get involved in the organization, also at the practical level in ideas, proposals etc 
there is no organization you dial you chate
it was recognized the best cat of all temp
ADMIN: then it will find a way to automatically redirect people who want debatre on chan crap as it is naturally inclined to debatre here
 it's not their fault that they no longer speak here
here is an agora as the Republic Square
Yes, but even here there is a utility @ nico
comm is that arive anyway to actually organize and connect with lots of people
@cyrildelacour: not exactly, he really has a practical function in this chat
 The agora, there is the discourse of Lyon for example, or we find extremely develops here
ADMIN: I have an idea, kind when you log you automatically have the chan and blah accceuil
comm: it is not a question of better is a matter of use
get to organize, is the great chalenge is necessary, this necessity is law 
bibi yes, I agree with you buddy yes!
ADMIN: for once my message there is not a troll
Everybody just go on IRC burst, everyone does what he wants eh, I do not care, I'm just here it is a meeting point which allows people of all of mouvemet get organized
if we multiply too, information is lost
According to the discussion of the blahblah gets off, but Simone car, you are free guys
 Here too you can tell me, but just be aware that here it works well for that, that's all
laba also because it ca I made it to the mouvment
in chatter sometimes drown good ideas, but sometimes the opposite happens, an idea rises above the chatter (Finkielkraut's dream would be to personally rise above the debates?)
ADMIN: one can also imagine a Home bot just talk to you when you log
@cyrildelacour: you can chat ideally created your chan
ca used to it the Shan than 1,800 people are not in the same place and it is unbearable
comm was muted by lucas_dev_paris
On the ledge? irc is his ladle more
Here, a #lesideesdecyrildelacour chan, it parrait me User nico
ADMIN @: I want to share ideas and accept the ambient chatter (mitote)
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: especially whatever happens, do not take it personally 
you have the right to be royalist and want to return to the franc, ca me a key without moving the other
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: (I do not want my face on future parts 1 Franc)
Your ass on the coin of 20 cents?
@cyrildelacour: I am disappointed!
ADMIN if want that wisdom prevails (sharing) made me a royalist, then yes I am a royalist
avoidance of kiker ca me makes me coler plus I pourais spamer you more
Long live the French language: ')
it is I test ban options on the cat
well, it smells the Putin comeback
would not make a vote to determine which sanction apply?
@satanicwarmaster: I'm not Jesus Christ, but yes my way I'm angry against the great priests and the merchants from the temple
debout: it has there a meaning? O_o
it seems a little dictatorial it all
you risk ^ be much less forgiving than me ^^
And make a vote on whether we vote as to which sanctions apply
and whether it is an anti fa or soralien
To transfer the large relou: make / mute irc
that the use of restraint here (admin what) ???? Good question, right? Who has that responsibility here?
ADMIN: / stop your attempt at brainwashing \ re: xD clemency
To mute the guy who made troll / mute cyrildelacour
freelance, activism, cogito, ergo, sum, wix
@cyrildelacour: it's me I'm the king, I will make a dictatorship out all night standing, it works, we only speak of me and of my great ideas
c ohhhhhhhhh but an account that I know well that- surprise xD
"Close to Nicolas Sarkozy, Guillaume Peltier wants tax evaders have the opportunity to invest their money hidden in a French company in exchange for dropping the charges
fr/politique/le-scan/citations/2016/04/19/25002-20160419ARTFIG00205-le-porte-parole-de-lr-propose-un-programme-d-amnistie-pour-les-evades-fiscaux
The LR spokesman proposes an amnesty program for tax evaders
SCAN THE POLICY - Close to Nicolas Sarkozy, Guillaume Peltier wants tax evaders have the opportunity to invest their money hidden in a French company in exchange for dropping the charges
@amaury: @ simons-common-Lille careful there are flooder trolls how to attack, vigilance!
_ledit account is all trollifi son: Cribs: _
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: re: amnisitie - lol
Activism suddenly the message that sounded interesting is somewhat swept under the carpet
freelance, activism, cogito, ergo, sum, wix
ADMIN you're across the chanel? ? ? ^^
It is all my guys, as the reptilian watch out
I am admin, if people need help, sometimes there is information in transit 
@amaury: you know how to edit the home page?
Activism: did you find an entry point on the wiki for reference and discuss this?
(History of social movements = my suggestion?)
Chat/wiki (missioner be someone above  
Chat - Have your own Slack like online chat, built with Meteor
Petite question: standing radio stops working?
I'm not Rohhh dev and I can not find my info in this fucking doc
ca ptetre would be simpler to migrate over IRC right?
we will not migrate mectoub 1,800 people to just change a home page!
or how to mess up and lose people
@escarmote: it does not broadcast at home either
what's weird is that the domain name "radiodebout
org" put in the details of the radio is free on OVH 
irl was added as moderator by Amaury
wow this is war here This shows that the movement grows and spreads on the other hand 
not gonna prubert probably a teenager who discovers irc it will probably make a lot of things much later
 It becomes unmanageable without it all the time?
Finally there are many _chose_ like that?
but not trap a lot of people on other media tv / radio and probably other chan
On ac and meaning? Spam? Or what "trap"?
in fact its link leads to a series of malware
There is a place or a way to point out, fight against it if ever it gets worse, or never? (Other than you and the admins in general?)
yes, if it becomes necessary I file for later
no but I made a joke ^^ no https://www
paris was added as moderator by Amaury
G do not forget that everything is public and visible Hello
 Could you make an update of the app, because your version is outdated thank you
I'm saying "no joke" x) and also "forgiveness" and also "#Joke" ^^ but I will refrain i think
You expect a precise answer each or? ^^
I try to communicate in a positive way by listening at the same time
First by listening, then speaking
I guess it's the perfect time for PLUR
Dash Berlin - Live @ EDC Las Vegas Mainstage 2015 (Full Set)
I saw many people around 18h, it was well
nop this weekend back home then yes!
I am not therefore Lille and I'm still trying to understand the concept of night standing
In any case in Lille they chat channel has larigot Oh yeah, and they talk about?
it is hidden or moderator, c that tonight?
bah commissions and organization but each chan!
BL c you find that better organized?
The cat? The 'Mr Amaury is where it seems 
"You find that c better organized?"
I spend my time on the place and I try to understand, again, what is your overall feeling
But in any case it is very practical to discuss when you're not there
I'm past the place just now, there was no Ace of Spades, suddenly I turned around
I believe that taking the time to listen to everyone's good
The feeling of movement that's chris?
Mothead or Armand de Brignac is the choice
One is little more than another place not ^^
 you could offer a music commission
This is not really a subject to "choice" music, more culture as a theme, and this is certainly already created
Bl I believe that access to music at all, training and listening without it costing an arm, well c
lenny mtorhead, it's not the guy who collected Nazi memorabilia d?
This is not something rather acquired through internet?
The music that is expensive to produce still
c music such as books and the rest, if you can not read or do, how to judge?
Yes, but there are alternatives to the big labels etc 
 I guess, I know much, but if you love music you can make the first live, craftsmen, and this is no less although a professional thing
live music of all, it is not always cheaper
4 decks between David Guetta and synthesizer Jean-Michel Jarre, I do not know what's more expensive to live
ondortlejour you already do music?
yes, but if you encounter great singers, composers, players c really better to understand
I mean you can find places you produce or not in exchange for a jackpot, but fun to play!
well it's easy to pick up a pretty nice vst for free right?
c as the debates, you have to have different opinions, but always with a bit of profession
 Hhollande 5 years ago: https://twitter
com/fhollande/status/158584077123989504?s=09
I do not think this is a president a lame duck that can find solutions to the problems it has created for 5 years
feast of szique, c it well to play
so then to make a complete song that is not too boring to listen to, it takes more than a ptetre eh, vst
you can not do the book with a VST
 Unless want to play instrument / instrument by 
Yes there may be the opinion of one who also listens without knowing there alongside scenes
paris: at the same time must be stupid to think that there are only villains and nice
 Besides, his tweet can not apply to him anyway because he solved more problems than it created
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: er if we can do live in these conditions
I'm on here is a guy who voted on 2 Holland in 2012
in front of Holland, there was a Hungarian prince married to an Italian princess, it was not hard to choose
I still do not understand how one can be disappointed in Holland
 Everything was in his interview to the FT
I too feel the shot the same people who will vote against lepen the 2nd round for 2017 and will be happy
Hopefully there will be enough votes for or alternative!
I not understand how you do to stay calm even while the state does not take into account your meme votes rundom
ah yes, that clearly, I revel in advance all disappointed Hollandisme who will go to vote in the second round Juppalways stay calm and think
I think in Switzerland if the state does not prennait a vote into account he would overthrow xD
even mass immigration they are obliged to respect the
JuppThomson sold for 1 euro to Korean, c super intelligent
Yes but it is not used to it, not many people would the mouth for something he does not know
@Cmoi They jicleraient people in power, would replace them I guess
in Switzerland, they are all from Swiss cows make milk and cuckoos exist
@stocky: I think the state is more or less enthusiasm to sit on voting against mass immigration
Swiss it benefit both the "situation" but shhh eh! we love them we will b **** well
c true, they do not mix, so you can listen to 5 and change daily
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: ca is actually creating tension
It still lacks the famous survey wave 
Swiss Monaco Luxembourg Andorra etc
you do not just prevent immigration
@stocky: so much tension that the vote on the expulsion of foreign criminals has been rejected 
Well the earthquake that gets things done
I'm sure the "lambda" Switzerland has more influence on the French policy as "lambda" french
Aix: the wave rises, it dates from 2007 this theory
what you can do, c empower them to go to school and succeed
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: yes, there is a problem handling 
 beneficial knowledge circle we will say
@stocky: populism, it is the problem of direct democracy
Well I was referring to the discussion in the same place yesterday around 17 / 18h it seems to me ^^
do not return the foreign criminals should be kept here in prison
there is more room in French prisons
it is against the human rights to add more people there
necessarily, it puts guy for smoking a joint or sold weed in small quantities
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: the most funny is that the government closed non prisons?
It is not even basic super smart to pile up, ditto for hospitals, dilute the problems that are solved more or less 
allowed their assets they live in without piss people 
 the banks have little to be ca 10% of assets in paris should be enough
You know a lot of weed smoker in jail, you ???
@stocky: they closed I think the most unhealthy
and what to sell 3 strips ca deserves prison?
I worked in health (which was a prison)
people should not look you a tote accused the banks is a problem yes but it's not just because of the Swiss or countries that have money
we're not in jail for selling 3 bars today in France, it takes a lot more than that, especially recidivism
No he just play the game of the room and it works well for them Swiss
yeah we're going to jail when you get aggresser boxed for example 
should not defend himself in France eh
This time the prison, I tend to believe those who have "lived" the thing more or less, because trust what is said like that, the "one says" 
in my opinion your current problems is ca historic date of crap that there was during the French Revolution
and banks, prisons etc are only effects
hmm this is not entirely wrong in so far as many of the current state process are from the revolution
the problem does not come from the revolution, at least I think not
life in France, the political game was not as rotten in the 70 or 80
Hi, sorry su off topic, you would know how to reach the not manifest commission, it seems to me that there is a facebook group for those who lives not in Paris but I did not find the
The real problem is human stupidity
Aix: AC is roue with psychology and sociology
Bah it is to show that it is the banks and the many and varied gadgets accused, all of which are created by people just like us anyway 
@ Alexis1009: I do not know more than you, it seems anyway that direct contact with the commissions are increasingly a arlienne
@ Alexis1009: Wiki pages towns listent some commissions
Tonight on TVdebout attempts duplex with Marseille 
me my dream is a deep learning about the hardship of people's lives
Lordon he explains all this well enough
and an artificial intelligence that passes laws
And the draw you think what? This is not a good idea for governance?
be it a player or elbows jacky the PMU, which puts full excavation with the money I care little lobby
@Cmoi: As a computer, there is nothing worse than relying on artificial intelligence
everything depends on parameters not?
Which was tested there a long time successfully in ancient Greece it seems not?
Aix: Yes but it will not pass in the head because of the people-the Greeks had slaves
 they had the steam engine but they did not care because-they had slaves
be it a player or elbows jacky the PMU, which puts full excavation with the money I care little lobby
JACKY PRESIDENT! yes ancient greece had the steam engine JAmes watt fuck you
@Cmoi: An artificial intelligence that is arbitrary and in addition it obscured the trick
about Athenian democracy, it is widely referenced in this docu
I HAVE NOT VOTE - FULL MOVIE -STFR-ENG - 46 min
IT gives a power that should not be overlooked
@Cmoi: No I do not see a political system that you can explain to a child is a bad system
you can explain the data analysis can be a child? I dunno
@Cmoi: Ca your thing looks a bit like Skynet in Terminator 
ca policy should be by all comprehenssible
good in any case it is futuristic but it's not too out of it to be "good" while Greece it had market
Rousseau was favorable in the draw
@Cmoi: The data analysis is not neutral, ever
Otherwise, there are no worries about putting video links here?
a computer is UNABLE to get the go Oh and if you calculate the worker dying on average a year XX XX the framework etc
you create an example pension calculation on sales
@stocky: (re) we are human, political animals (the time we live in "society" Politicians are they doing in the jargon, this is because their policy is not to be understood
force workers dying on average younger they should have higher wages
@Cmoi: And after you decide what?
ca pointless to calculate pensions if one has an unconditional basic income
and after you let the bot do the algos on other issues
Yet a different vision of the "debt crisis", ca talking about Belgium, but it can be done parallel with all European countries without difficulty https://www
And if we stopped paying! Interview with Olivier Bonfond
you create an advice if the thing is too enflame to block too bizarre laws
@Cmoi: Politics is not a figure deal
and a reset button if ca hand too far voiila
the world is crazy, stay up stand up for your rights
well if it's just a figure of history actually
@Cmoi: The machine is faster than the human is not possible
@Cmoi It will appeal the Constitutional Council are corrupt
like robot that calculates the stock market and that are crap and which have seizures
me the story of power is just a trick of animals for ca 
 humans are not good the top saw their origins
@Sent: Book the politician volunteers to function?
@Cmoi: The algos they create by whom?
not stocky, robots who calculated the course of the scholarships are not shit
an algo a goal and did it already becomes political
An assembly of people who are drawn, compensation, regularly renewed with one vote each
you publish a crappy stuff on twitter and your robot it is Chutter your country @Cmoi
why optimize such thing rather than another
do you want to make a record of the proceedings in a pad?
the computer must constantly take decision to have a solution that fits properly around his case
Aix: how fair and impartial? I would say that it depends on the decision, in an emergency or not, etc
Yes stocky normal well you publish a crappy stuff on twitter your course will go down anyway
@Cmoi: Then imagine a policy with robots that analyze people, they just people trollent
well you create an open source with a comprehensible and understandable algo params
then indeed artificial intelligence is fun, it helps to globalize, but there's always a purpose and that is toujour mess
For the priorities they must then refocus on local democracy
 Such territory has it as a priority, another that
kind pretend to do burn out? to die?
@Cmoi: Gender everyone says that there will be a war to laugh, and the robot analyzes ca and it sends missile with whomever
I speak just of arduous work and income
someone wrote a report has subsequently
@Cmoi:'ll See what it is that the basic income
the revenue base is like the RSA?
@Cmoi: Precisely for this that you can use the decision aid, but the algorithm will not decide in your place that is best for you
this is not an income given to all without @Cmoi condition to have enough to live on and live with dignity
but no one has little to be the "sensor well be!"
at the base is standing for radio chat
@Cmoi: With a fuzzy concept like this, it will be fun
yeah well that's not what nimporte? Custom I stopped to work if I have an unconditional income
I admit it's good but it's not sustainable
@ Juju29: I put it or then? Below?
@Cmoi: A "sensor well be" I would say money, otherwise we are "sensitive" (more or less)
Perhaps it is necessary to create another
@Cmoi: Everyone says AC and in fact there have been surveys and the majority of people would continue to work because-you mad when you anything you need to do something,
I confess to the algorithm is not the time, but again in a few dozen years
but I think a mind map could be more interesting
@stocky: bad people not bump, bump indeed
I can give you lessons if you want @ Juju29: we gossiped on another chan about this?
@Cmoi But as you are a minority you pose no problem to the system of basic income
@stocky: besides there are plenty of people who bump currently in republic
@Cmoi: Ca has been tested and it works 
@Cmoi: Account and you do what in your years of repose?
@codesource: via the home page http://www
fr otherwise the radio page of the site, I find it more personal
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The basic income, a new social contract? (Arte)
becaufe I propose to give 1 billion has all the french
Is it possible to create a channel currency / basic income / finance for example?
this would be an opportunity to get involved in citizen initiatives, take the time to learn an artistic practice simple examples 
Aix: perhaps there is already enough channels right?
@Cmoi: Money has the value that we give him is that piece of paper or vacuum often
@Cmoi: Tax, tax, robots do not need money to work
@Cmoi: Ca are suede, ireland, saudi saoudie 
but is used for another purpose, dominate
I see here that "Home" and "communication", there is another channel list?
@Cmoi: Suede it what? in Germany as there are tests
ireland tax refund throughout europe the cash flows afloat
AC germany astonish me the universal income
the problem with this basic income history / salary for life and all that, is that it is far, far too far
 I do not say unthinkable, but it is more a horizon line than anything else
 There are things to work much closer to us
in short, we must stop thinking that the relationship between money and work is direct
ruffin on tv standing here and now
@Cmoi: Must also know that the money you possess today is the wind
Once interressante video on monetary establishment, the dete and universal income
monetary revolution - Debate between Chouard Etienne Sthane and Jean Baptiste Laborde Bersac
I says no, it is that people think about it, but it's a skyline
@Cmoi: Even money there is in the bank is the wind
the problem is that you do ca on your country, but you buy how your iphones?
Today I got a million, I do not know tomorrow
 Janieck Devy - Reality (Official Video HD)
ben not you want long if the money comes out do not come back
@Cmoi: Biensur she leaves the country, it is concurance with other currencies
@Cmoi: Then or not she not come out, you can also tell you to have two currencies nationnales
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@lomjuju admins amaury, and other nemolivier
yeah unconditional income is very difficult or impossible
like that the proposals and what emerges could be said to the AG or the other republic
impossible in the state can be, but it deserves to be considered, saying that it will not be useless
and even if it seems unlikely, I prefer people who think about it, rather than people who comment not touch my post
people they march the room, they want more than the neighbor
it's too easy to say "impossible"
@Cmoi It's wrong I'm not like that
ben you're not representative of the population while
@Cmoi: Unconditional income? Swiss speak by nationalizing their banks and by reserving the monopoly of money creation: full currency initiative (soon vote)
@Cmoi: But certainly proof that the population can become me
arretez but with the advantage of country
guys they steal money from europe after normal they can launch ca
ah yeah genre what? was "land" bollorin africa? we take advantage of that?
not french, but leaders rather yes
@Cmoi: You sell arms, trains you sell, you sell services, you export a lot
@Cmoi: History evoke more than a debate, but a realization: https://youtu
A Swiss banker explains in 36 minutes the scam of money creation (part
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@yeno: a what? I did not understand
(When you say "the France is one")
@yeno: and yet until recently France was a country not so badly off even for these citizens, it smells good scenario for the Greek now
@Cmoi: It is not impossible to sell things while having a basic income:,)
it is not sitting on our ass to the account at the end of the year and bingo
a favored country, which does not mean much indeed, but France is beautiful is an international power (on lots of areas that I disapprove of course, but are there)
yes I see, but not abuse hyper relativism
are necessarily worse or better than we
yes, it's a bit where I was getting too and this is not a reason for not wanting better
if you can read, you have a smartphone and a credit card you are part of the 0
ok people I have two things to say
do not fall into the trap of electronic voting is a bullshit
Then think carefully about the basic income super important ce'st
@Cmoi: Without wanting to disappoint you credit cards and smartphone that will use a lot in the world
the poor can not be a smartphone for electricity but it is probable
@stocky I also think monaitaire question is one of the main nerves of the war between peoples and elites exploitative, internationally
I prefer an online referendums system (electronic? blockchain?) that the current voting system, which electronically or not is completely locked
@stocky: general meetings, the concept of democracy in action?
but I have inflamed me with the 0
@Cmoi: I think yes @cyrildelacour:
"400 million smartphones shipped in the last quarter 2015," a small stat I just perceive
@stocky: by against Internet is a tool to discuss and pass laws for example
 But this vote would have to be as secure as CB 
@stocky: I love the operation of AG who stand up for the Republic: Democratic praxis
@cyrildelacour: If you want to hope that continues DEMOCRACY does not rely on IT
In any event, even a citizen vote parfais without popular education and independence of the media, ca return to the same
 It will make you vote for the same vaseline today
@cyrildelacour: IT is controlled by humans, and if one day we made machine that can think for them same, it will still be limited or exterminate it
@stocky: yes, I rather on account of citizens for democracy (local in his exercise then the federation of local democracies)
hence the relevance of open source chat rooms, free expression, the list is long
@stocky: I think it's a bit against productive science fiction
Good evening, I'm Italian, Venetian
 I am here to make you aware of my appreciation for what you do in France
 The father of my daughter lives in the province of Le Mans
 He's back in France here in Italy becaufe person does anything for anyone
 He has a very dificult prende apreotre separation choice
 This company has a per separates a girl in love one of hautres
 It has a disability and society notched pkus these people in the 56 years
 But however this deuis a year in France, he became an active member of your movement
 Cependent that it n not manage to find a job
 Hat for you all, while Italian which unfortunately I am part they are all goats
IT is not a barrier for me, as long as it is not commercial, for-profit, and is secured
besancon: the science fiction that is sometimes scary how well it's true ^^
@stocky: SF or MATRIX button as the myth of our time
Excuse me herreurs but the pc is very old and badly written
@yeno: to have worked in, IT security is an illusion, clearly
 Press conference by Henri Krasucki: "there is still time to make impossible this is unacceptable 
 this Europe we were smiling this is the loss of the independence of France 
 we were told that it ' is inevitable, nothing is inevitable
we can do that assuming the risk associated with data exposure, that's all
Perfection does not exist, because there is no risk 0
@barbara: France wakes up slowly, thank you for your encouragement
I have lived in paris for 4 years and I have frequented the France since anns and anns
just control what is written https://lite6
I am also a person who says no alternative to this company and I m also unworthy participant's plenty to wake the consiences
it feels good to read a smart cat, or talking about the real problems of society
Therefore each user is unpaid, twitter make money without creating content, facebook like, uber is a company without a car and without employees, the TV is with us, without us (the resource) there shall exist not, or to a lifetime salary
because you wind your look without asking your advice and make money on your back
Btw for me any advertising is a abbeeration
if each user had paid, it would be worse haha
yes there is the collective antipub
And Paris, are there any free-thinking intellectuals who come to exhibit their work and thoughts? Those not hear that too in TRADITIONAL media in particular
a guy who has already come to piss the world with his rotten chan irc
the guy who feels pissing have created an IRC chan with his little pudgy fingers
Do not you understand that this is not the right method?
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blah, let's move, let's talk Finkielkraut
I reminds that you can control what is written https://lite6
debout @ * you stop it immediately or we have to be more radical measure paw in one click *?
And first write down low, not in the middle otherwise the bazaar, to be discussed before changing the neighbor ^^
irl: get upset, it was kicked paluchons!
cergy: I proposed a vote mute or mute individual
 Try not to scare the user not accustomed to chat
irl I can get the source code of the current rocket to add commands it?
Former Greek Finance Minister praised Emmanuel Macron, one member of the government understand the Greek crisis after him
So I can leave you alone and old to try to lure the barge gently Night Stand? Or
irl: already puts your avatar in mask and after you speak fear and authority; p
c me weird like, but others still see @ Ben
cergy yes and your help is welcome, as all, all!
 the link of the CR on the wiki bah you base you in the ground like that lilli
I not denigrate your work, but what they say is really of such importance? (Simple question of fact in humility, it will launch another debate like ptetre)
what fits me like a glove must archive any really so?
I noticed that there was this overall trend in the movement
or the idea of ??soliciting #DEV rather lean for a chat forum - just the choice / structuring the right tool is being
(For archives under first hand, I leave that to BiblioDebout)
Besides the need to archive feels with the multiplication of tools
I have not really matter to make, but I find it interesting to watch
Yes, a forum to ask some detailed ideas that leave a mark and a few minutes would really interresant
Lille I noticed an idea you agree, but it really should all see? I mean, that did t we say here (for example) that have not already been?
I read yes, it's quite all these ideas, there are plenty of really new things, others less, but there really needs to develop these ideas further
so I thought to do a pad by theme
I disagree with the fragmentation of resources 
Certainly many of these ideas are discussed on the site yes
I speak in terms of history, even
I think too, although I understand that flaw also encourage maximum the person to take the seats
But it is complementary, certainly
cergy: what is a little spirit of the Wiki page / History of Social Movements (under editorial)
Yes, of course Juju29, many citizens have not (yet?) The opportunity to express themselves in public places in France and elsewhere
good initiative, a little history never hurt, on the contrary
it's hard to dare in real life, it is virtually already a step in the implementation of his ideas
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irl: I can not find the page Wiki / history of social movements, can you give the links please?
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Guarantee all healthy food and green: never a big city had not had such an ambition! Close up of a great and futuristic bet
"If c is the font that says, c is that it must be true," he slips before s concern for his dog
 Result three months suspended sentence
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History of social movements NuitDebout
 do GlobalDebout mentioned on the site nuitdebout
fr really is an initiative of the movement? I have heard criticism of the initiators of the site that would have acted on their own
The movement having no real "head" well 
@Forez: Develops? (You speak of twitter a / c)?
Hollande announced nearly a billion of Jordan to aid euro
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Hollande announced nearly a billion of Jordan to aid euro
AMMAN (Reuters) - Francois Hollande said Tuesday in Amman payment by France of nearly one billion to help Jordan euros over the next three years
 "We consider that Jordan needs this support," said the French president in a speech to the Economic Forum France-Jordan
I say, I wanted to ask if anyone had information about people connected to the night standing in Scandinavia?
On the wiki, there's nothing of note to Scandinavia
You tell me if he comes back the other mirc as a troll I can not stand competition
Come on, one last links if you like history, always very boring to have a different version than our school textbooks: https://www
The city of Paris - Henri Guillemin
there are more debates on the youtube channel of nuitDebout but necessarily lag is becaufe youtube flash
Ah, there is a channel for videos links? desolhere if I then flood
Lille: you know if it's possible to track multiple channels meme time?
 As against this is not the time to get into the town if you plan to sleep tonight
 When you attack the series, s difficult to stop
 And it is a little old school Trotskyist, but it does not prevent it ever interresante vision
 After as for the rest, never take everything for granted agent and try to form its own opinion
(Yes, yes, Guillemin, questionable)
To continue to talk about Vener irc
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Henri Guillemin is it reliable? - Veni Vidi Sensi # 4
@hervebrin: yes, it's possible, I opened one of Lille next
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paris @ The bot will be welcome
I like the story of Jeane d'Arc by Henri Guillemin, 4 episodes but we learn a lot
I understood he meant mircscripts
We do not cut me when I speak of the Municipality of Guillemin _habite Belleville _
I just arrived, Hi, what's going on tonight?
lol Anyway, it is a sacred orator, it is clear that it is pleasant to listen to
yes I have already revival is still on the old server
Are @stocky that there s also glue
4 episodes of 45 minutes on Jeanne, a wonder
 Superber meeting with Eric Toussain
Will see in #DEV, @lucas_dev_paris
paris: I stick to what? @ Nemolivier
paris ah bot I galley He specializes in debt and had been called by Tsipras to audit the Greque debt
 He spent the entire episode this summer live
(Because I'm tired of not finding a picture posted some time ago ^^)
@stocky: @lucas_dev_paris s going there as paste
Before we talk about democracy, it will liquidate the sovereign debt 
Socialist of 1977-2008 has been favorable to the Maastricht Treaty in 1992
 So it's normal that he wears a Rolex wrist 
There is a retransmission of the encounter with Eric Toussain?
There were some people who were filming and also audio recordings
But I do not know what that divient, all that
 I listen to radio a bit too, when she is "on-air"
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I do not do web dev, just the C # haxe and stuff, not very helpful here I think
@hervebrin If we decide to grow stuff, who knows?
@nemolivier if I can help a moment, it would be with plasir this seems unfeasible, but it would be genial to have an app like paypal for managing accounts "several"
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@Sent: I can not find the video of Guillemet on the Bank of France created by Napoleon (Private inception: deliberate lies)
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ok next time maybe bye Good night
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Hi, anyone knows how a page on the wiki is added
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 "maximum of n and male citizens" 
 it will not, I'm not citizens and do not recognize any legitimacy to the institutions that ensues 
 can put "maximum earthling and earth" 
 it changes many things for many of us this notion
"A more participatory democracy" 
 A democracy any court, "participatory implies that we amount already in democracy 
 it is a big problem of substance by form
And what is this frenzy of "Citizen standing
 In order to make the proper judgment, pursuant to Article XII of the
Declaration of Rights of Man and of the Citizen
we redo the same as Babylon, is that the program 
 It is certainly a joke in bad taste this "flyer"
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s democracy and I share the same opinion as you
 In drafting the statement we made the choice to take the words in their ordinary meaning (sense Newspeak if you prefer) and discreet irony underline their true meaning: a citizen makes policy
 A democracy that is not truly participatory is not one
This choice was made because the purpose of the statement is not to bring the claims to change the political system but to report on Night Stand to the attention of the general public through the media, so we need to talk about their code 
Otherwise the reference to Article 12 it is the comic spring (two defining judge: opinion and judicial) and is used to refer to police violence (that make us laugh yellow)
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Hi Here the event for a # 1erMaiDebout throughout France and for all cities which are Republic Square in Paris https://www
com/events/540805579424550 to share! We are waiting with banners and placards to each of your cities!
@cyrildelacour: yes, a reaction, the only truth of this conspi video is that the DNS belongs to the company Raiz, a member who is part of the movement
 The domain name will be transferred to something else, association, organization, it is difficult to choose, ustement for trust issues, transparency, but we already have with us companies that are blameless in this Point (squaring the net, open democracy now), but the transfer is not done in one day, because you have to evaluate everything
 The NDD was filed in emergency for the movement, to be sure coke and other enlarge your penis take, or a guy to sell T shirt
 Then the "conspiracy" side "fascho" the thing is completely stupid
 you can see here in ls dev channel, digital etc 
 that all decisions are taken among 300 people, in front of 1500 people, for digital, there is no particular authority setting from the difficulty of ensuring that everyone can learn from the advanced digital projects, and can vote and participate, but the process and the will are there
 So video = conspi, moron, political division, hoax
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#NUITDEBOUT INTERNATIONAL CALL FOR CONVERGENCE IN PARIS ON 7 AND 8 May 2016 FOR #NUITDEBOUTPARTOUT (#GLOBALDEBOUT) THE 15 May 2016
paris: there #traduction and #translations, otherwise google trad?
paris: I am part of ND Paris so I can ask on our facebook group of people to translate
In fact this is not Hungarian, Croatian c is that it would take me
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The presence of Alain Finkielkraut at Night Stand, a simple hazing of the French Academy
What the hell was so Alain Finkielkraut Saturday night on the Republic Square? Today we know a little more about the reasons that led the academician make a visit to movement Night Stand
 Several sources confirm that its passage was in fact the last stage of hazing to consolidate its integration into the French Academy
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Does this text circulated was voted? Is it representative of the demands of citizens in AP? https://pbs
@ FR21: Never seen or heard, in any case there's an email contact that you can put these issues it runs as the Night program Stand 
is Aberant night stand is not a political party how pourait he have a program?
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Entre the April theses of Lenin, one joke situ and one leaflet of the proletarian Left
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@ FR21: you can put it on and #recuperationmarketing #profiteurspluspourlongtemps well as the #wiki?
@ FR21: It smells demagogic manipulation
 At no point does the text claims to ND
We must get the message to the media that a text can not be associated with ND if he received the consensus I
TO Nights standing - and not just that of REPU paris
To prevent manipulation of this kind take the sauce
- And this regardless of the content of the text -
@diego: it sounds very complicated it would slow tremendously things that need responsiveness kind presses releases
@sholva: You propose what else? Let a minority impose its choice to the majority?
((Maybe move on to #blabla not flood here ??))
ADMIN hi I'm a little sauerkraut on this chat
 J had read it a few days ago a message on the home page of a group of lawyers in Paris who gathered to give legal advice on site Rep
Il as a mail if we wanted to join them group but I do not find the message, qq is what one can help me?
ADMIN: hi I'm a little sauerkraut on this chat
 J had read it a few days ago a message on the home page of a group of lawyers in Paris who gathered to give legal advice on site Rep
Il as a mail if we wanted to join them group but I do not find the message, qq is what one can help me?
@ Mia-stg: you can find more contact on https://wiki
Cities / Paris / Legal NuitDebout
AC would not hurt to have (at least) on the cat
fr/b/M5LCQJJecyAQofMKC/coordination_numerique# we need a hand to do some actions to improve the coordination of the movement to digital level if there is in the world it'd be cool tableau
paris trying to find lawyers to Strasbourg for ND here but if we could pool with the Paris group
fr if you want to subscribe to other tables
those of Paris may have contacts in the profession in Strasbourg (I redo)
Good evening to you all I want to know if the movement will continue until July?
Singapour @! We hope it will continue, but unlikely in this form (we already slashed all ^^)
In my view, we can not be sure, links between the participants in Night Stand have been created already, they will surely continue, however, the movement in its current form, as said pierrelalu, may not continue (in this form )
Socrates: all night, it's a little hard for the organizers 
n Still, I am hopeful that the movement continues! especially with the sunny days arrive! (By cons, I have more doubts about its survival this winter ?)
paris: ok! do you mean by "I do it again?"
IMHO it lasts for, it'd be interesting to go down the proposals that begin to emerge wiki So ultimately there would need more members if I understand?
For me it is the solution Socrafte By increasing the number of people, it enhances the "rotating capabilities" so it allows people to this rest and motivate each other Socrafte
Singapour @: we get to 90 000 signatories of the petition but impossible to contact them eg
not revolution, it does not serve anything and every 50 years is actually a _pari on lobbying the people:) _
@ FR21 I've considered your response, I move: https://wiki
fr/wiki/Discussion:Communiqu%C3%A9_d'accueil#Pol
A9mique_:_Des_tracts_circulent_et_des_d
A9magogues_les_font_passer_pour_des_positions_officielles_de_ND
Tournai: I will like to understand the strategic interest to occupy the place every night 
 There are more concrete and sustainable ways to continue this happy circus
 A happening remains a happening, it is not made to be durable
Tournai: there could be eg public land occupations to make gardens to share 
Pretty text Night Stand on the NPA website: https://npa2009
org/arguments/social-autres/nuit-de-bout-et-maintenant
Night of standing has already achieved three objectives 
 to see that now attack Night stand it starts to walk
 There is all dominant parties, the FN PS, the "
I think it's important to stay on the squares, including taking turns, because the spring for those in the northern hemisphere, new forces are coming
Hi, QQ1 Can anyone tell me where to report an appointment committee for it to be relayed to the sites and newsletters? Thank you in advance
G'day to tou-s-thy; Just to the GA in Marne La Vall standing tonight, 18 hours Noisy Champs RER exit Champy
It is for the committee Drugs and Freedom to be held on 23 to Repub
fr/wiki/Villes/Paris/Drogues_et_libert%C3%A9
Cities / Paris / Drugs and freedom NuitDebout
@nathaniel personally I see on https://wiki
fr/wiki/Villes/Paris/Calendrier/49Mars example
Cities / Paris / Calendar / 49Mars NuitDebout
@nathaniel I find a shame not to make the commission meeting April 20 Nathaniel: Committee for Drugs and freedom, I invite you to reflect on the fact that a drug user, including hard drugs, he made a conscious choice about the use of his body, hidden by the fact against that the health system is shared, and therefore it imposes on other choices
 This is even more true for cigarettes and alcohol
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paris @: Yes, adding the event ok thank you
 But then relay the agenda "official" 
@nathaniel: Committee for Drugs and freedom, I invite you to reflect on the fact that a drug user, including hard drugs, he made a conscious choice about the use of his body against the occult that the health system is shared, and therefore it imposes on other choices
 This is even more true for cigarettes and alcohol
 Indeed the issue of public health, its cost and virtuous practices, this is the kind of topic that can be debated
Lille: By "conscious choice" you also hear that what led him to drug use is a choice on his part?
Paris: I answer their first report: https://wiki
fr/wiki/Villes/Paris/Drogues_et_libert%C3%A9/CR/16_avril
Cities / Paris / Drugs and freedom / CR / 16 April NuitDebout
which reads in part: Motion 1: 'The Committee considers the use of psychotropic drugs as a right to dispose of his body, of his conscience and of his privacy
Motion 2: "The commission denied the prohibition of access to the plant and its free use
Motion 3: "The Commission considers the right to access a non-ideological information and prevention anxious to education and public health
Motion 4: "The Commission denies that a user can be pursued by the police and justice
Motion 5: "The Commission proposes to continue the reflection on the legal availability of modes drug case by case, in the worries of coach without encouraging or stigmatize
If you're interested I invite you to discover what has already been done: https://wiki
fr/wiki/Villes/Paris/Drogues_et_libert%C3%A9/CR/16_avril
Cities / Paris / Drugs and freedom / CR / 16 April NuitDebout
Paris: unfortunately I'm not Parisien and can come and talk Ok, I note your point to the next agenda if you book me a clear title
 @nathaniel: You have a cat here?
@nathaniel: and suddenly, you can convey an idea: if drug users make a conscious choice, then they declare to the health pooling system, and must contribute more to rebalance things
 That must in my view be part of the conscious choice made, plus it is educational about the dangers of drug use
 Can be extended to other hazardous substances such as alcohol or cigarettes elsewhere
Lille @: ah yes good idea and we do that also for big!
(What it takes sometimes to hear)
paris not only I did not say, but I did not even think
Lille: but why? overweight people because of their food choices are costly to the health pooling system, so I do not understand why you patronized some and not others
 But to answer you: in a legal system there are taxes that are used to it, simply
 Then when you take The US case states that have legalized weed, the collected money windfall tax takes more than well the health, and can even be made available for education or other public service
Why The War on Drugs Is a Huge Failure
@nathaniel: yes, it can be done like that too, but the tax system also allows a parallel system of black market (I have not said I was against, I said that we must take in account ^^) Moreover, the cost of smoking to society is not offset by what it pays in taxes, so you must also think of balancing
fr/planete/article/2016/04/19/l-onu-acte-l-echec-de-la-guerre-contre-les-drogues_4904685_3244
The UN document the failure of the war against drugs
The special session of the United Nations General Assembly would focus prevention and care
paris: eating remains a vital need
 We do not choose to eat but what you eat
 By against drugs, we choose well (according to the commission) to consumption
 This is where I put the distingo
 Free for you to disagree, but thank you not to go too fast and taxing me like children
Come on, it's nice but it's not the place to debate, good day to you
@nathaniel: good evening and good commission ^^
Lille: eating 8000 calories a day is not a vital need!
Lille: you also chosen to eat healthy or shit, this has a cost (the most important of all there 
), thus taxing the food that makes you sick, so it seems a good idea
Do you really think that the `channel accueil`soit the place to debate?
But how to explain that drugs that do not make you sick are prohibited and those that cause illness are "encouraged", at least very very present (industry, advertising, lobbies)
Lille We talk Saturday! As the Committee has no assigned chanel, I took home to share my ideas
 Indeed, this is not the place, that's why I started a private conversation with Sam ^^
Lille and let's create that channel and share the wiki page on the Committee I invite Nathaniel to do so since it is part of the commission
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Hello, the twitter account of Night Stand facing me here to reach people who are in charge of the site
There are 1894 people here, effect
@chercherjournal: without wanting to say stupid things but I think you should go see the cannal #DEV
@chercherjournal: or here # nuitdebout
I want to know if you can put the motion of Bordeaux (call for the demonstration of 28) on the site
@ Simons-common-Lille 2160 is an anagram 2016 We would like it to appear in the cover page and we can be signed (as a night stand and person)
Amaury, I do not know who you are, but you'd be sympathetic to respond more kind and friendly manner
you talk about what site @chercherjournal
sorry I have to be a little bitch I do not understand
@all You know if there are other cities that are making operations as Toulouse surprise? http://actu
fr/images-toulouse-opposants-loi-travail-occupent-locaux-bnp-paribas-francois-verdier_34301
[In Pictures] Metro, BNP Paribas, TNT: Stock surprises opponents of the Labor Law in Toulouse
Wednesday, April 20, hundreds of opponents of the Labor Law invaded BNP Paribas in Toulouse, before finally being evacuated and join the TNT
g yesterday saw a perished on oP sand, look at my twitter of late @diego - am used it for non-violent communication
lille they are moving too, with crs in front
I do not have your twitter @ lilliott
@chercherjournal: our apologies tones to each other: there is mass work and sometimes goes more direct @grenoble: You participated?
@chercherjournal: for questions concerning the admin site
= Can you bind the motion in question? (But otherwise Wig0 is right: rather it begins work and link to Wiki / and only when it has been asked to edit 
@chercherjournal: sorry, it's just that you post all the same question, and you do not have the answers suddenly between comrade we deultiplie job
there is a #wiki on which you can post
 But yes it seems more logical to me for now
after I do not know who you are not and lots of people want to post stuff everywhere that is why there is the wiki and suddenly, the content is shareable @amaury: @ Wig0 you know with me Amaury always right ^^
(Sorry for spelling and typos all this, I do not have time to correct any yes I hear
I speak of the motion passed by Bordeaux
you can put it on the #wiki @chercherjournal you need a hand to put it on the wiki?
irl: no I do not know but I understood yes 
(I would love to read if you'll give us the link) @chercherjournal
No but also the text we want to have a tab for membership as a Night Stand and activist in the text
there is a page that returns to the wiki
then: small legal point: sign petition via personal email address (even if you share) = Banned
small point coordination: Toulouse look with they have an ope but not the same day I think
wiki can not do anything @chercherjournal?
Every day there are thousands to occupy public space to take our place in the Republic
 Join us, and decide together our common future in this political movement or party without banners
wiki can not add the nights standing signatory
finally developed redac: attention at the formula "members of France 
 "FA" (unfortunately it has not yet true of AG off individual cities, d hence the risk of telescoping - as the example with the motion of Toulouse I quoted above
you can link to an external petition, and link to the page that will list the signatories?
(Digital-ethics intercommission also the matter of the petition tool in the viewfinder, see @ PM56)
Yes but if you put the text on the wiki bordeaux, the motion will not be very visible
so we would like it to appear in the news or other
@chercherjournal: besides, I did a little research in my corner for Bordeaux
 What's this site ? http://nuitdeboutbordeaux
Hello: is it possible to include the holding of the COMMISSION Antipub to 19h to Sated now, the program Night Stand? I unable to know who to ask 
 Out in 2h arriving, many people will look before moving to Repu 
then to update the feed, see the nuitdebout
ok because when I ask this channel is not answer
@ Reno12: update program issue see the channel nuitdebout
@ Reno12: #coordination is the official channel for information
thanks! note if there are representative of intercommission-digital-ethics #coordination_numerique here would not hurt @ lilliott
What is the intermission-digital-ethics?
The last message pinned to the home cat would unpin I think
For those interested in a discussion about the use of drugs, I invite you on the channel #drogueetliberte
c the project AG Questembert Ireland to sanitize tools and communication ^^
(Not yet documented on the wiki, they are in full brainstorming)
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Night Stand: the offensive in the safe | Club Mediapart
Within weeks, the most important social movement consisting of the last 10 years in France, s is literally emptied of its substance subversive to take the form of a friendly alternative village and ultra-connected
 At a time when neoliberal purge n has never been violent, it is urgent to reset the political struggle rather than creating a new Christiania
Creating change through strikes and demonstrations? I think that create / think a more likely alternative system to emerge that if asked, through popular pressure, a change is as strange about
The main criticism seems to be based on the policy definition in this article
I fear for the result of the movement with the extension of state of emergency
after, if we avoid leaving stupidities in Media Share (Isan)
it should be fine, it is an extraordinary social laboratory where meetings are created, exchanges or knowledge sharing as a common good
the people on the ground trying the best possible dissemination of knowledge, know-how and know-be promoting exchanges and meetings
to highlight as all the already existing devices, the participatory democratic jobs in different government bodies
as soon as the "zu" have decided to give time to the social animator, digital, territorial to come on the ground and fair job paid by our taxes, ca advance in the right direction
 people who gather in committee to discuss and comment on various topics 
 share a coffee or beer with a buddy, moaning and grabbing from time to time 
@ondortlejouronboitlanuit: fear does not avoid danger
fear in the sense gatherings will be banned in the name of security
and suddenly, the movement will make pschit
If this is really the name of security, the euro is also banned as a rally 
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except that it is enough to argue about a surge in threats and a late fall in May
and France will stop for three months of the summer period as every year yes but the euro ca report sousous
after it would compensate advertisers 
 and be worse sweeten their holidays offered by these same partners
Anyone know help me use openstreetmap stp ??? I registered and I have to insert Messina on the map of Nuot Standing
 but someone has inserted the city !!! Merciiiii
OSS 117 - change the world - hippie beach
fr/wiki/Tableaux an admin to pin here lilliott
fr/wiki/Tableaux an admin to pin here lilliott
irl @ it is better not to #wiki that? ^^
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Not cool to let pericopeur outside when he has a place to book with standing overnight Gazette
There are only 5 permanent periscopeur
As for the euro priority priority 
Each one and two 300 perqonne with luis ui the look
speaking of periscope QQ have a link?
tv/w/1PlKQogVPpBJE?mode=couch&lang=fr
#NuitDebout - And now? #BourseDuTravail Paris, TX
Is no peri for now, but a live on Dailymotion
It is pinned on the twitter of reportersdebout
@al Not cool to let pericopeur outside when he has a place to book with standing overnight Gazette
 TF1 and let go! There are only 5 periscopeur permanentSur the placeEt Each one has two 300 perqonne with luis ui watch c shame not allow the retransmission for many people
 Deplus there no censorship of info with the periscope! Good meeting in the labor exchange!
bah if there already this periscope
Hmmmm Sphinx who rises from the ashes? this is not the Phoenix 1
Must not try to peter higher than his ass this dessert in general
I think as long as the Internet tools for debates / discussions are not ready, mobilization Sated site is important but once the tools are ready and discussions with all the world committed, mobilizing up Sated not really have of interest and would be a loss of energy (demont/ back instead), future gathering / share would be organized from the Net
Anyone know if TVDebout transmits the AG tonight? I find no direct chain of yt
MTP: there are audio streaming on the site, it must be also on the net
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Recall that "on" #radiodebout there is a framapad proposals for the cat
R: not being there but guard to home, I still do not understand what you mean
irl: you is how much time a day here ?!
Aix: too much for my taste but tonight I'm against bad situation: other friends also had to work late 1
Anyway ^^ hat (especially the quiet evenings on the cat it's not funny I think)
hello I'm the nice cat robot help is here:
I also tip my hat to @ lilliott
inter alia, all mods and invested! ^^
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mmm come back faster under another nickname and it would still take us 15 minutes to pretend not to have recognized the animal it was Mr IRC?
wig0 uh? Yet avantavant - yesterday he had been kick by Jules, right?
if you acharnez about him is sure he will find other means
It's a pity, all this wasted energy
(Jules a little cracked but obviously there watching his additions to his chan is the shameless mess)
I know I am not my head on that crap
Well, for my part, I can not afford to undergo perpetual blinking nuisance of unnecessary chan for hours
 That is what would take me the head, so that I / we have a useful TAF to
The user bernard-1 was ejected by lilliott
normal people disconnect @ lilliott
The same impunity they do not change the name of the channels of Rocket 
I have not yet encountered this problem
I sometimes change the channel names that I had actually created but no one has done in my place
It is not possible to restrict the mods channels such?
because Bernard-1 had left in #Hotline do his little sabotage
if someone changes you can change
and to advertise for his unnecessary chan
<Concern? I kind it to fuck, or pignoler me a lotto game ??
I wonder, Joey Starr, it must still be present at the new star next week?
the goal is to bring normal people here 
 We'll have to be civilized without overdoing it
ah good topic of conversation to forget ennuyeur it's a real challenge for us visibly
This is a sign that the movement works well, it attracts people of styles 
@stocky salvation, then what's going on in your house?
Aix: concern name and info chan: set - thank you friends of the Rocket
there's a conference that may be interesting tonight
that the initiative of the full currency in Switzerland
damn I came here telling me that it might be the only place in France where I would hear no talk about not touch my shit and joey-the-rabble-starr, hey ben missed
@ Wig0: totally agree with you to round up the "normal people" (consumer non geek?) On #accueil
But no relation to the current topic of / ban that specific account
cergy: not understand A pinned message:
thank you for the info @ homer242
irl: you do not lose anything if I do not dwell more, but really
nuitdeboutistes greetings and luck!
it was posted the link to the broadcast of debates in the labor exchange at the moment?
good, so what if it's already been posted
com/video/x45eezs_mercredi-20-avril-a-19h00-fakir-la-commission-convergence-des-luttes-soiree-debat-sur-l-etape-d-apre_fun
Wednesday, April 20 at 19:00 Fakir & convergence commission struggles / discussion evening on "The step from" LIVE
The Republic Square is filled, and Night standing swarmed in Province and even abroad
 But should we be content? Fakir and commission convergence of struggles invite to a discussion evening on "The step from" Wednesday, April 20 at 19h at the Labour Exchange in Paris
with Lordon, Ruffin and other people
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polalala is such a mess discussions at the labor exchange
nobody listens, there's a guy who wants to fight against a half that took the microphone
In any case, the alliance with unions is sealed
titor who came specially us drop it, someone he could listen to you online Safely?
in any case pushing behind ruffin for alliance
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he painfully tries to keep the topic of debate but a lot of people have nothing to carrer come and just tell them little stammers, unrelated
why fakir monopolizes the project #nuitdebout and discredit the work of the AG?
@all why fakir monopolizes the project #nuitdebout and discredit the work of the AG?
they do not discredit, the meeting at the labor exchange is symptomatic of a ruffin side is fighting to stay in the concrete and make things "hard", while the other half of the speakers are there to come and preach to their parish as if it were the free speaking at the GA
they are two different visions that attempt to discuss but it does not work
no, he monopolizes the projection of #nuitdebout in 2min AG would have been as tt the world
Yes, and why he ferauit the agenda of the GA?
this is not an AG, I repeat, it is an evening debate which is proposed here
"He would make the agenda of AG" xD
He could not say that, if @LoGduPerigord?
yes I also repeat myself how is it that an external commission meeting to make proposals to the agenda of the GA?
they are proposals, the discussion evening will bring its proposals and work with the AG as any commission
fakir is huge in its own committees and discuss with unions
therefore recognizes the sovereignty of the AG
where I could possibly join the questioning @LoGduPerigord is the perception - again - when the mass media will transcribe
 They are likely, as usual, to ignore that it is of "proposals"
yes while baffouant the right to speak in the meeting and imposing its schedule to submit the next?
ok, well, we understood that you did not like the fakir, I personally think nothing of them, but in this case they behave correctly in the Democratic field
you think what you want, I consider it a privilege
@LoGduPerigord: If you have written references the above I take out a small package of bonds to be processed by the communication team
I have not said that I did not like fakir, I see a private press which gives it the right to propose agendas and meetings parallel to AG
yes good will, if you will, is a dirty fascist ruffin go
if it freezes it s'trouve babies as the bastard
question: Does he said fakir speaks in his own name or in the name of fakir?
I'm not saying this is a fascist, I say fakir takes the decision to propose an agenda for all ag and discussions with unions
there's a time must come back to earth
(Lilliott and is a crypto-anarchist-de-right who scalped cats) 1 1
me if this does not bother you and you do see any problem is you're really blind to the slap just given to AG FRAnce and Navarre
ah yes but it can not impose it in all settings - as there not a c AG, osef I say?
if fakir wants enact other rules than the AG for the operation of the debate, they have the right
the free night standing not to participate
BYou two interpelations at Lille following a CRS raid on trade union premises, in reaction, this following direct action of an individual "third party" that launched a brick through a window 
but especially not should descend
fakir came to despise the work of AG
@LoGduPerigord what everyone here has not _seulement_ privilege being able to listen 
we had a little visit mirc57 re bernard-1, you know?
except that here it was really decided @ SurViValS
Brest tried to do her knight big heart, @ Espion
Tournai managed to smuggle without too much trouble, and then I have / pawn
who better than Lordon, piketti and appalled economists to talk about the economy, who better than ruffin or Plenel to talk about history of protest movements and so on in other areas
 the Republic of ag that's nice, but the opposite camp is not in lyric poetry then will have to talk seriously on a day when the other
so he tried to balk and saloper the hotline, but there it ended up falling on the bones of small admin good
a representative of ag remarked that ag have a project to suggest the contrary of what to ruffin said in his speech and the meeting of May 7 and 8, that ruffin is eager to take the floor to say must progress on the project proposed fakir, poof, gone the work of ag
@ Spermwhale-1: vazy you dirty GA lxD
ruffin just as ag had no short-term future project, which is false
suddenly (I keep telling the @amaury evening) I think @ Vecu
Paris @diego and are cursing me for things that do not advance
to put forward its proposal on 1 May
about @kraft it must be always on his bike to try to arrive on time
the ag decided an international meeting on 7 and 8 May
hey ben listening, if people are not happy, and Ruffin fakir will send bouler in the vote in AG and it will remain there
there's nothing to be indignant to the Holy AG
it's up to you, I share you my feelings, you can do what you want, and especially to ignore
Excellent he had not missed me the script kidies
and the foot is placed in the murky pond of bureaucracy, sovereignty and institutions of power, it's great
but he learned of the sudden archive its empty channel
@LoGduPerigord: This is not surprising, I feel that one of the concerns of the movement it is probably exaggerated fear recovery from each other
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the ag decided an international meeting on 7 and 8 May
the ag also recovered ruffin film
the problem here is obvious, fakir impose his agenda his word facing the AG, it could be fakir or any other media group, but it is the press so that his ideas prpose AG
it's not who wakes up one morning to protest a republic
we must also recognize the activist work and stop talking about Recycling
So without distinction, all the press is rotten and has no legitimacy when in any discourse on equity night stand?
well then to compare, fakir has much more to bring the movement in terms of struggles that the Curb
@LoGduPerigord: Fakir well as impose its agenda on 31 March, we not to make a fuss
LoG: we are still waiting a documentary source on the "Fakir IMPOSED the AG"?
cergy: tou myou plI note that a newspaper group acts as a think tank, made his Lobbie, its prpores discussions with the trade unions for its project, deal with representing ag ag reminding that have their project and have not wait to be told what to do
and in terms of implementation and effectiveness of the movement, I would have to give voice to M6 even if the subject is not distorted and if it makes a profit Night Stand
it seems that people do not want intellectuals (though ESSENTIAL to creating a climate for minimum pre-revolutionary, read brothel history of books) or "professionals" of the struggle (and I'm not talking unions)
lol @ spermwhale-1 which takes us her accent too glamorous!
ben ok, that night was standing derde then, and continue to dream AG looped over the lifetime income
at least the intentions are clear for everyone
cergy qed previous failures indignados, Occupy etc
no, there are already project, which was denied by fakir
irl @ ah well it's because it's good to read the down to earth a bit
@ Spermwhale-1: No Online j'drague my pig
@ Spermwhale-1: Yes you're my cool breeze in a rocky labyrinth 'Tain you are demotivating tonight 
 Go get some sleep, tomorrow will be better! !
cergy: you do not know you miss c'que sweetie
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Tournai: just 2/3 small brief detox 'that the case "go-flood" prevented me from tinkering and yes
 @amaury required coordination to retrieve his messages and give its logs *
 @amaury him, did not win the right to sleep
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nan I try to switch to any @amaury but the crafty escapes ^^
classical concert at the foot of the republic, there is no denying it's very, very cool
I'm a bit trying to fuck not air my PhD and much of my pro activity but it will 1 1
well then yes we are inundated level sneaky
it is because you do not do doctoral workshops, AC is really sly 1 1 1
but at the same time, I would really succeed in connecting them to other forms of ground reality
like this on the ability formatting each
 of action: the doctors of doctors
yes it is not a novel idea, Spy, finally me that does not stop a little flatter the ego of the lady, nomidon! @ Jack
if it motivates you, so do I would like to know if anyone has been able to follow the debate organized by Fakir tonight
((The concert Repub is super cool, they really wild musicians: 3
I kind then? (Who pass the potato: sleep :)
we discussed the debate just before
Apparently: @LoGduPerigord and mortarshell
Ok, is there a way for me to return to an earlier point when I arrived in the chat?
@diego we need a clean pickup and ask to bind in UP news on 
Yes, I found fakir very arrogant with respect to representing ag
Custom I took during the debate, but not long after it began, the worse when I saw that it was going to do anything, I went to do my dishes
: there is a "History" button in the left column 
_cherche his personnel_ translator
and when I returned, it was always as much a mess
_It must be Maque with the steed of amaury_
it means fakir prpose nuitdebout meeting and union May 1
Tournai: thank you, it had been years since I set foot on a cat
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We must communicate: hey people - this is what did not happen when the night was not standing - see like that slap
 Sorry I am not familiar with the technical terms
To capture this is not for me to ask
 x) I am not at all aware of the different capture ND
((I feel like doing anything tonight x)))
oki must not say either for the same reason
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@ Spermwhale-1 was a formulation of the spirit, not the letter ^^
Well, I see that your conversation that evening debate has revolved around the potential preemptive Fakir on the AG
I have not listened to, but the quality of the retransmission seems to me quite horrible
J was in a 2 week InterComm and c clearly a big problem they will not take to the m 
 But the debate he brings prospects?
@lucas_dev_paris hey you did not have to be no vacation?
I ask because three hours of debate with a bad quality, it repulses me not evil
I am I come just to slander a blow
@stocky: did a nice trick with another bot I glue myself that I have a little time
thank you for your work in all cases
Night Stand: the emergence of symptoms of a class consciousness?
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To which New World takes us Night Stand?
To continue to occupy the land and consolidate its legitimacy privileged place of public debate, the movement began to develop a "cultural" program with film screenings and concerts
hell, they will eventually make us think that the people have perhaps more the right to consider as people I find his relevant analysis
At least it has the merit of explaining why ND takes so well to a certain part of the population and not for another
I can not see someone with critical spirit refuse ND
 Unless caught by capitalism perhaps
(Or fainntisme, defeatism, jenfoutisme)
Tournai: I think the sentence should understand "assert its position as a leader" (if I translate in corporate Newspeak) and not to implicate it should not exist
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In which country she was drifting reached the point where the plainclothes police put a union local bag? https://t
"But perhaps most importantly its ability to exceed this opening between itself Franis Ruffin question posed itself, resulting in absences for less glaring in the concerns of the movement, as the issue of migrants, that of suburban youth as the most popular categories, particularly of those who have been tempted by the protest embodied by the FN vote
Uh, but it's wrong, these matters precisely due to each AG and each session of free speech
@diego: even in that sense, I'm struggling
 ND is not leading, ND is the expression of the people (or at least partially)
 What ND wants is "the people" who wants it, right ??
(And those who do not agree are part ^^)
Tournai: The author takes the look of a sociologist and in his article in no time denigrates ND, he just tries to study - relatively neutral - the social dynamics that drive the movement
 And his reasoning is worth being followed I think
Personally I understood: ND has similarities May 68 May 68 but where was the union of youth and workers, ND seems to be the union of youth and an expanded middle class ( middle class since its creation became politicized [the sense of the term] finally)
But given your reactions I had to misunderstand
The question is to know at what point we consider that the integrated movement of the working classes
Tournai: ND is not the people, ND is the portion of the people who believes in ND project
 ND is not my family, not my friends, it's not 
(I mean my family and friends are against ND)
The BanlieueDebout movement, the presence of ND workers in cities is rather a good sign
 The difficulty is whether there is a popular support behind, it's not easy to be determined
@diego: in general, it's the same for me too 
 but I think that people either do not seek to understand / get involved or are easy excuses 
Frankly, when I see social struggles throughout history, and the importance they have for the future 
It all began 3000 years ago when the Egyptian workers decided to refuse to work because they are not remunerated 
A famine, hundreds of deaths, months without work 
 And the beginning of social rights ??
@inkey: Besides, is what you have information on Standing Suburbs? The media try to make it look like white bobos meetings and conclude the operation to fail on the grounds that the suburbs consist mainly of racialized individuals
 What does return to the reality?
Tournai: you can also try to understand but do not find their account, or find the relevant movement
or you have me appear to have exchanged important insights from 21h, someone to make me a rough summary before 10am tomorrow?
the _avant 10am en_ poilifttiquement having a strategic nature 
@diego: Unfortunately no, not really
 Parcontre I think it is not really just a white bobo meeting, this has got to brew Association / local militant therefore not necessarily the corner of the bourgeoisie
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Tournai: There is a difference between "is against ND priori" and "would be to ND provided you have enough information," I agree
 But it does not change that at present the majority of the population is not found in ND ((primarily because it rejects a priori ND)) ND therefore can not claim to represent the people - for now
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@diego: and given the current fragmentation, it'll be very, very difficult to represent "the people"
But not in the square of the republic is rather urgent
but in the end it's so vague that I do not even know if that's what they want
paname23: 35: I seek on-site contact monnaiedebout
and go too framcalc, it should help
the people is a duisment invented by bourgeois qualify for the poor
the people is an empty word as happiness or ideal beauty or everyone does what he wants
Robert mmm go / Larousse / Wikipedia - I describe to me the people and it makes me no harm
I describe myself as a non-tooth I'm like social caste in India I would be a Chandala
in my opinion if you describe yourself as a non-tooth, somewhere you stigma acts by F
I can not justify not only is that I am physically, teeth damaged by financial inability to take care of my health properly
(The issue of caste Hindu is not foreign to Night Stand
or (the dentist deterioration) but in this case is not intended to mobilize either Night Stand broadly to a re-definition of "people" is not it?
Go to bed, Lilliott rather, the French castes exist only sense of metaphors and crystal barriers
 India is * slightly * more serious
No, I see castes, as for the word people, I always heard as a disguise that put the poor to own in salons, is a patriot in wartime, to put them at the front
Tournai: I have not yet managed to force the packaging of my unpasteurized cheese
castes exist in France when your parents are too poor to go to college, they already bled to pay you your school books, then college? go work
 dedieu 'the beast has the caracte_
Otherwise, I thought to bed after reading an article, but I had to react
An article which claims that Fakir Night Stand refuses any organization
To my mind ND has an organization
ND refuses vertical orga but is organized - and promotes a horizontal orga
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Good evening night standing That's better, the cheese with the @ character lilliott
There are people up to 18h of the Republic Lille tell me
 but I still repent Sunday night or _avons Avoided Mass tachycardia accuracy with St Maur_ street buddies
I live in France and I'm not moving at night standing Lille
aka Paris in France, suddenly (excluding Lille)?
The notion of people is not meaningless provided to associate with a location and a specific time period
For example: The people gallant post consolidation is a reality
go in an hour we begin to discuss what does the term "society"
you know people can be compared to him plebs who is derogatory and is used by Roman aristorate
@LoGduPerigord: I apologize BUT I absolutely can not let you compare some derminimes acting now in France with "caste"
It's hard to follow you ben Yet there it's lived, I talk to you years of agricultural slaves 50-80 French
the concept of "caste" referring to the Hindu model, for which a majority of French did not even necessary balls to try to decipher the democratic development
I talk to you workers, I can tell you about the worker son
the experience certainly, but then under "slave-masked" - not "caste"
c CCA great, you just need a term that is not caste
that Hugo already termed as social reproduction cf miserable
(Because caste is based on assumptions that are shared even by discriminated castes 
you know I have neighbors who are not read to them
(For your neighbors find no trick "play is not for me")
I presume too labeled establishment @ Espion
call it what you want yet caste that is the right word in its hardness and heredity
make a @all in #communication and I pine-rai (hurts its French @diego)
the son of a laborer is rarely more than a worker
irl: Here (if this is in the message where you thought) I continue to object Log: social mimicry and the caste phenomenon are two distinct things when you look seen outside France
love you well determinism you eh absolutely because you are my private medium @diego xD
I see that it always debate on the lobby x)
cergy and Angi29 @ I struggle to follow you is this normal?
except that good, they are theories that were exceeded in sociological terms there are about 48583845 years
Take another look at the miserable HUGO and open a newspaper or assitez to Assize trial and you will see cosettes, of Valjean
_the problem being that the modo (in the brutal and intolerable defection @amaury) embarked on a background of cropping: namely reviewing our knowledge outside francophocentristes on: caste, social determinism, mirror, class, etc_ xD
when you inherit the social position of your parents what to call it?
_aime good historical calculations @ mortarshell
I would say social determinism or socio-professional @LoGduPerigord?
when it adds the social weight and behavior we have with you?
@LoGduPerigord: Whether you're a student and you deserve you worked hard for your future
 Unlike those big wankers who have become unemployed and have what they deserve!
and your idea of ??Les Miserables, yes it great but then we will talk about "archetypes" (fantine - valjean - Marius - duvet)
it's funny, I was talking with my man just now to the idea of ??removing the legacy to improve equity and reduce disparities rich / lean x)
yes, inheritance is a result of not changing
xD, troll @amaury / out and go #action = but leave me my hard-earned dough ^^
@LoGduPerigord: Should we be interested in hearing from the "inheritance" - was not just my material
yes, I read but I have not had access to college at 18 and 1 Service work, shit because not graduate 
 and you chained to repay the debts of your parents, and that is making you do never put aside money for a house so rent, and your wages just enough
 but this is not my story, I have many / friends like that in neighboring province
@ LoG your question, I'm not sure but yes I think "social determinism" or "individual" covers well the whole problem
It's a beautiful day starts here but if that 6:30
 caste forget - because of Hindu beliefs, not quite fitting c: public:
I have the verb to talk about because I read, and I removed the ordis early, but how about me do not even have that
(Although I can see the intelligent use that you want to do, as an international ambition, it can pollute)
until last year, I had a neighbor (47
6 children, alcoholic, former drug addict and prostitute
@LoGduPerigord: The notion of caste and social determinism, I invite you to brainstorm with the guys charter-drafting
caste defined for me what is happening in the provinces
(Not from an Indian point of view)
Singapour: it's cool that, what do you do there? You keep up the movement of the low
my mother was a slave farm in Bordeaux, to the vineyards occupper commes her parents before her
c a key witness, have you talked to the press relations via the wiki?
when I say slave is that they were entitled to just you (and to see the roof) and dining, the pay was skin grief
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(Because I see VERY well what you're talking, but not enough documented today)
historians should study the agricultural slaves of Bordeaux or the Rhone region alples
yes, as bollorplantations in West Africa at the moment
I j'l'aime well @ admin-bot, always asked, never a word louder than another, never a contradiction 
 Arnaud and maiden name of my mother is not immigration
@ Ysi1: I Lycn LBas, To Which Is Movement I can more or less follow
Singapour: and you think we can help you on a specific thing?
Bordeaux was built on this slavery
so we @LoGduPerigord agree in spirit
 help we just need to learn how #communication pass this spirit (anti) castes being the maximum connection with the objectives of the movement
I tell you what I think caste is for me a nasty word but certainly it's there
(And my point was: I smell that "caste" will not help)
but too violent and we want everyone to be identified
irl: That's very kind offer but so far as I am there I can not do much, but then I finally returned to France therefore I could act, but by the 
(And internationally they do not just tie)
the behavior of farm owners was that of a caste owner
mainteant the rest but it's hard not to pay people
dsl typos I'm sitting like a fool, so I hit like a pig: o)
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Go to sleep So the purpose of the debate?
You know if we can re-listen to what's said at the labor exchange in Paris somewhere?
* Pass' your first tray * since <lilltott> assumes kommandanturokratie? *
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bah I suspect, here an hour you suggested -to reasonable chan _
Good evening to you, see you soon
Perhaps we will be in Lille Saturday @ Ysi1
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@ Wig0: This type of post has no place in #blabla
Just the very section of HuffPost
@lucas_dev_paris: And I note this quote from @LoGduPerigord QQE hand: as for the word people, I always heard as a disguise that put the poor to own in salons, is a patriot in wartime, for to the front
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 Someone has the link framapad radiodebout yesterday please?
Hi, I have the impression that the movement is weakened?
I disconnected republic, I had got used to watch direct, but then nothing
the program does not indicate for Friday
irl: I found it disconcerting not to attend the conference today at the Bourse du Travail knowing that Anne-Lise Debout of the Gazette had kept a place for me beside her for that so we can have a transcript and a video backup the entire conference Periscope
 And take the opportunity to take some pictures for the Gazette as well
 I found it - TF1 be relevant now
 Knowing that he would have transcribed a small part of what was said
 Also as I said in the previous message each time Periscope little has nearly 300 subscribers around we are 5 to be rather permanently in place for 3 weeks
 Place 5 x 300 it would have added 1,500 people to the conference when there was already no room in it would have been pretty well do not you think? I can not blame anyone obviously security question can not put more than one person can hold in a room
 There is only one hour Periscope who managed to get in and could not filmed everything that's why it's interesting when we are many that avoids the technical problems that prevented transcribe all of what we filmed
 That said I do not know if we can find the video on Dailymotion I saw that there was a link to a live transcript 
 if only we had more to have it before sending any fees Piscope viewer on this link
 Maybe we should mind for the next time if there are other conferences whether here or elsewhere in France where in the world can be in French or English maybe we should think about redo transcribed live on the site with a video projector would allow the greatest number to enjoy it and hesitate disappointment of hundreds and hundreds of people who could not go to the conference today at the Labour Exchange
Other than that the concert of the Standing Louis Orchestra was magnificent tonight I hope that they will very quickly it was a success on the incredible site and on social networks too!
Have a good night and thank you for your investment later; )
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General Meeting of standing Nights: A Constitution for standing Night
English below // Night rises up everywhere: Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, Strasbourg, Nantes, Rennes, Toulouse, Lille, today it exceeds the borders of France only to awaken Lie from Brussels, Valencian, of Madrid 
 the movement is growing, and the question arises 
I wish that society changes but with pacifique
isabelle: Our dream is on, the organ builder us to realize that sets
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Night Stand: but who controls the site NuitDebout
fr site? Numerama went to meet the activists who live on site, including the domain name has been reserved by a Parisian communications agency and made available to the movement
good article I found, thank you @titi_montpellier
Il are too stupid and useless laws that only serve to create unnecessary admitistratifs jobs and stop the enterprise and prit travailleurs
Un governor manager only that stops us take for neuneux and let our free arbitre
Prendre the right side of Germany and arrrer pay our leaders when they leave their fonction
Douer injustice, or hides the fear and for some the desire of the ego pouvoir
Combattre of these gentlemen in tie but all in not thinking that at the Peace and respect for others
With pleasure! You're welcome But now, suppress taxes, what a brilliant idea
 In the ten commandments I find no reference to the protection of the environment, or for solidarity with the disabled
 To believe that they had a reflectivity slightly less successful today there are a few thousand years
Elle is too good and can give us the energy (through wind and warmth "Geothermal") without polluting 
Rappel Syria lot of oil and this is how all these good people are at the rue
C'est a scandal! Not assistance to people in danger from all these dirigeants
Stop, disaster! Let's be human and solidarity
the ten Commandments ? kind of religion all that? lulz 
Before, each family was protecting the disabled, elderly and its enfants
Ne speak no religion, it has been distorted by people who wanted the true religion pouvoir
Aimons us the other one with our differences fruiting can be for the good of all
So, do not talk about the Ten Commandments, speaks of constitution ^^
simplify the laws not to overflow in the abuse contraire
@noctambule: thank you not to spam all salons with the same message
(Takes one could open a salon "redue release what do you say @amaury)
paris: there not already a wiki page for articles that talk about ND?
isabelle the boss who exploits you, I do not like it, the rulers who oppress you, I do not like the mafia in power who steal taxpayer money, I do not like, "love -we some, others, "the joke! 
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isabelle: No it's not every family to take care of its old, and children, and the disabled
 A disabled without family, you let him die in his corner? Solidarity and pooling against the risk are only effective at large scale
 It is the society that has to do it
 So no, it's not easy to organize
 So no, the simplification is not a solution
Prefer reformulation rather than begin a sentence no
 After reading previous posts I think cybergrunge, tribut
isabelle and I are totally in phase
And if we use citizen instead of people used to disguise the poor in Mahogany salons
Are people here who were at the Labour Exchange last night?
"No" I do not think we are in phase
 It is important to emphasize the disagreements, and mine is deep with about tribut
@ Billy-Pierre-Yves: we could not get too crowded
 If you find a video that interests me
The videos are on dailymotion fakir I think
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The Ten Commandments better replay: it is largely a call to religious intolerance and patriarchy 1 1
And I'm sure they have not been debated in committee or voted in AG
I personally found the interventions of Lordon and Ruffin but not much more
"Last night in the dung of work, the commission" convergence of struggles "Night Stand (Paris and others) supported by the newspaper Fakir (So Franis Ruffin) organized a discussion evening" Night Stand and after "?
The choice of each word in my sentence is important
The struggles Convergence Committee can not lay claim representative standing nights
 There are many other emotions standing in the nights that are not found in these discourses
 Think of it as a group of common will that formed through, or within, "Night Stand"
 Night stand has allowed these people to recognize and begin to move in the same direction
 But the nights standing enable many more people to recognize themselves around topics and others to move in other directions
This preamble past I invite you to listen Lordon who (in my opinion) well represents the will of political affirmation, constitution movement, active citizenship and marked orientation
Much of what he says can be cleaving
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We regularly and continuous debate in Nice
 And I think it should be defined as Night Stand is NOTHING but allows ALL
 It is a place of encounter and exchange which in itself may appear as the "soft citizenism, not giving birth in either useless" but actually allows the emergence of hard citizenism movements such as the commission convergence of struggles which to here
 Set night standing by the action or the will of some of its committees would be simplistic
Ruffin and also because it is funny
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And I'll wait for the full report of this discussion evening because it's generally the direction I would like to take personally
 The direction of the hard citizenism
Fric Lordon to Labour Exchange April 20, 2016 "Night Stand: The Step of after?"
tonight at the Bourse du Travail: "NuitDebout: Step Apres" Franis Ruffin "take our oath, we will never vote PS"
sorry, "dung of work" was not voluntary
 Some will see the slip they vondront 1
@ Billy-Pierre-Yves: I sign: o) or hobbes nor Lenin
@ Billy Pierre Yves If I rephrase, you consider that ND is - nothing less - a reappropriation of movement of political power by the citizens
I think that any definition of Night Stand is doomed to failure empirical
Well, we will learn from our mistakes This is the normal world that tries to label the thing
 But the thing is resistant to all its labels
By cons, initiatives are born in Night Labelled standing
 Convergence Committee struggles Lordon and Ruffin is etiquetable
 But this is not (in the sense of strict equality) night standing
labels, and boxes to better divide the world, to cram as a psychotic collector, no thank you
The labels, it is sometimes useful to know if you are allergic to any of the components The labels used primarily to identify and provide support for reflection
 Night Stand is a label for example
((Label the sense of a scientist, after may be for literary we have different interpretations of the concept of labels
Always it is that it is important to ask the question of what we can be for ND
labels to think about the world? divide, divide, thinking the world is to accept diversity, to accept that everything changes all the time, that's life
 How many labels are outdated after being asked? There 'are the dead which change pluis
If ND is my politicization tool, I will come there with reflection, reference documents and pen paper
By cons, if ND Repub is for me a base to launch before punch operations in Paris (as manifest in St Lazare), I'm not going back with my trowel and my tulip bulbs
 Language is the first of the sets of labels, and he seems to have found some use
punctuality tool, local and temporary
 And in the nebulae are born stars
 Regardless of any individual or collective will of the cloud or dust
Truth does not exist, there are only local and temporary truths
And if one is afraid of the stars
@LoGduPerigord: Good, we do nothing more then?
And there are other possible interpretations of ND
 It is necessary to be a piecemeal interpretation - and thus probably false - for reasoning about objects that are beyond us (and beyond us because ND multi polar, decentralized, organic, high spatio temporal evolution)
After so do not be mistaken, and please do not try to interpret a plot plausible interpretation as the only possible
 ((That TF1 is interpreting as a ND breakers flock puisance))
no, that's not what I say, to understand the complexity of the world, it is necessary before accepting
Accepeter that everything changes all the time
But rationalize by labeling, not simplify the world
In any case it depends on the motivation of the labeler is 
as well as the elementary and universal wisdom
Yes and his look, everything is relative to your eyes
((I have described here using a nomenclature in the scientific world, and it is in this sense that I think important, and trying to "label" Night Stand
If you put a label, you can also start thinking
org/2016/04/21/frederic-lordon-a-la-bourse-du-travail-le-20-avril-2016-nuit-debout-letape-dapres
Fric Lordon to Labour Exchange April 20, 2016 "Night Stand: L After Step d? "
Fric Lordon to Labour Exchange April 20, 2016 "Night Stand: L After Step d? "
c is just the problem of the Western citizen crazy, he believed that it was beyond the 
each in its spatiotemporal marks, experiences, actions, p
our judging by labeling except to position themselves in relation to them
the truth, it exists in the heart of man, c is just the western human who Mala let his heart 
Western or not, the exsites facts, truths exist, the only truth is an illusion an ideal that he did plsu does not exist
 The perfect, the ideal does not exist, the empty words where anyone is put anything
You will not find to let speak the human heart not only beautiful things 
heart yes, with head, heart and reason is not opposed, they complement
I just want to respond and remember that everyone is not nice, that the human is also a source of flaws
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yes is the human passion, reason, stupid, smart, everything changes all the time
 Sometimes I'm late and sometimes awkward, it depends
I sometimes help and sometimes I sink
everything depends on the moment and the place and the environment
yes, reconnaitres human faiblaisse also seems important to me than the rest
hence, the truth does not exist, there are only local and temporary truths
 To think, we must first define pins that go into my eyes ENTERING AND accpetant their limitations and non-absolute sides
Hello to all s-if we want to put labels, the labor exchange could be called the commission "step by short-term" vision collect short-term and longer term can be complementary they have the same enemy, a minimum common struggle against the capitalist system
fakirpresse's home for videos and live streams on Dailymotion
it means the idea belongs to Fakir
This is an accusation that could be called label
 neither sees nothing but a conclusion, I dab in Fakir
the link to the commission "step after" at 19h at the labor exchange yesterday http://www
com/video/x45v286_mercredi-20-avril-a-19h00-fakir-la-commission-convergence-des-luttes-soiree-debat-sur-l-etape-d-apre_fun have a good day
Wednesday, April 20 at 19:00 Fakir & convergence commission struggles / discussion evening on "The step from" LIVE
The Republic Square is filled, and Night standing swarmed in Province and even abroad
 But should we be content? Fakir and commission convergence of struggles invite to a discussion evening on "The step from" Wednesday, April 20 at 19h at the Labour Exchange in Paris
commisiopn copnvergencs the struggles did not practically speaking, he was there in decor
I just watched the intervention of Lordon yesterday
 To my mind for action and the short term, ND must go in the direction that develops Lordon (actually he did not invent anything, it serves as spokesman - and reminder - a thought that floats in thought collective)
 I love the idea of ??restoring the sand
However, to prepare for the post output of the frame and prevent the short-term actions ND being recovered, it must be done background work in the short term is unnecessary and may seem a kind of debate to debate but that its importance if we are to reach a governance without elites
 ((But Lordon supports only the first project because it has long studied for its implementation, while the project of a horizontal governance I doubt there is much thought, and so I understand it does not take position above
Lordon key anyway a crucial point, as we have not put a bag the neoliberal system and its grip finaciere the entire society, all other claims will be only the pavers into the pond, and the worst is that even this is below those that cleave us
 I'm not saying that we must put aside these various claims, but must stop to take the cabbage is whether one is willing to defend this or that idea, a particular mode of action, we must begin to hit all overall, in every sense, to bring harm to a system which urges us all like lemons and never recede malgres few social or political victories we can win here and the
 And if we manage to tap international treaties, and even one little eroded the power of the lobbies of finance and shareholding, then it will both offer on the table all these claims that emerge any Azimute ND
 and ask that the debate is inevitable and it must prepare on, but never close doors
 This debate is of course, what society do we want for tomorrow? But if one succeeds in not opening the breach, this debate is particularly steriile and cleaving
Either way ND is a collection of divisions, but before we dissociate, we stand in solidarity to fuck this system in the air or at least begin to give critical hits
 the sidelines of yesterday's demonstration: http://www
org/59-62/2016/04/communique-cnt-lille-suite-a-saccage- of-the-local-by-font
Police cnt Lille - North CNT unions Pas-de-Calais Picardy
Press the union of Lille CNT unions following the police intrusion into its local street of Arras
I'm not saying that CNT is all white, they were very present in the procession of enervor left a piere towards the window of a department store
 but ND Lille, the question was in thorny AG, or not solidarity with the comrades of CNT arrested 
 In other words, if a fellow ND embarked soon, it is a support which refliechira twice before to move
 Is this what we want? See meme, part of ND will simply stop coming Sated Lille has to put a contribute to the CNT and start fighting in his corner
you have to be in solidarity with everyone, breaker breaker or not
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Lille: What? The police broke into the premises of the CNT to just a stone history that flew in a window ?? I'm the one that the disproportionate reaction of shock?
you know it's every day that police strike steals breaks and doing illegal things but yes it is shocking, like every day
It is also they who handles the problems of aggression, etc 
You have very lucky if you never had to turn you to the police for help
@Yannou: I do not usually for me every day and these are revelations
So you're jaded it scares me that I will discover tomorrow
besancon: basically there are two types of people, those for whom the police are protection / support, and those for whom it is a daily oppression
I doubt if you ask for a "young commuter" if the cops reassure him or do fliper he tell you that they are there to help
in my case, being super white and privileged, I have too much trouble with the cops and jsuis quite certain that if something goes wrong they would protect me
but for others it is not at all the case, and it's pretty outrageous
@diego I am jaded by what I see in the press and that the comrades tell me, but I have not experienced myself, I had this chance
@Yannou: I must be too good next time, because to me these people are doing their work, they are not perfect, they are human
And they vote more than 50% for the FN
 For some people this is clearly institutionalized oppression
It really is you think? Can you tell me more? because yes, there are rotten but of a institutionalized say it is I do not see the link
It's never easy to get a realistic idea, especially if like me you life in a medium sized city
 Also be aware that we communicate much more about the negative sides of their actions on the positive side
There were articles recently on the harassment of the cops in some neighborhoods
fr/paris-75/paris-18-ados-portent-plainte-pour-violences-policieres-18-12-2015-5385327
Paris: 18 teens complain of police violence
Of repeated identity controls that skid, racist insults, humiliation and even physical or sexual violence 
level resources have that book you there: http://www
net/lng_FR_srub_25_iprod_611-permis-de-tuer
Editions Syllepse - Licence to Kill
In France, the death penalty was abolished in 1981 but the license to kill still exists
 Police violence and police crimes punctuate the life slums and q
speaking of the joint Police / justice and injustice resulting
and then you're well known in the control facies, when you is not got the right color're often checked several times a day
Yes, but do not make generalization in my opinion, these neighborhoods are disadvantaged areas, both for the population and for the cops who work there
 More difficult the conditions are more error are large and numerous
bah it is certain that in these neighborhoods, people are really mistreated by police
in the 16th it did not happen like that it is easy to get used to this kind of problems, saying "conditions are difficult" but I think we must continue to denounce the still
 But I also like that the intuition in these qurtiers there in the most violence and drugs etc 
Yes, we must denounce you're right But do not fall into the Heine of the police force in generalizing
The cops, there are good and less good, as everywhere, against the orders they receive are given by head that up to the goodwill of the hierachy
 And when the hierachy covers this kind of behavior, we are entitled to be angry, it would even make a little more than indignation
These "leaders" are set up by the government, which set him up during democratic elections 
 so for us it is clear that we must do more than be indignant
we must also consider the fact that the police lack the means to conduct effective policies, particularly in neighborhoods
 At one time, there was a real community police, who knew the residents and young people growing up knowing the officers
 It did not avoid clashes, but there was a mutual respect
 Today, that community policing has been completely dismantled in the name of efficiency, and we see what happens 
yes, and policies of dismantling proximity fonts are also denouncing
Denounce easy, rebuild together is more complicated
suddenly, the police are also oppressed workers by their hierarchy, the "good" no longer have room to do their job (long investigations, little return in terms of arrest, but of dismantling the networks above), and the bad are brought to the pinnacle because they make the figure (as they simply stop pawns)
@ Philippe151101: we can not be agreements ^^ but to rebuild something solid, you still have to identify what doesnt It really hurt actually, it parrait yet evident that a police closer to the people would be more efficase
besancon: I remind you that the police are part of the population ^^
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Exactly, really, my sister in the police, she lives in a imeubeuble or there that police officers, comes out with his colleagues etc 
 they put up a good subculture enter them ^^^
And that is more or like moin in the armed
I think the majority of people of ND are more or less agree with these findings
 What is forgotten is that governments are not REALLY elected by the people but by the media that tell us who we should or should not elect
 And the media, are held by the same operating throughout the society, far from our small daily preocuapations
 When the capital police say, which is a somewhat easy shortcuts, it's still a bit in the vrai
Car the state is the state capital
 Although the pilociers as individuals do not condone, in their own way, just as we all do, they participate
Yes, it reveint as much debate in the democratic debate Operates in our society
Lille: quite, because as many people say "he must live" and to live in the present system, it takes money, and therefore a job 
 and so people n 'have more choice, either the workers or the police
Lille: And even if the media did not do what pre choice, elections are not democratic
 Since it is enough to change the voting system to change the elected
Lille: Clearly we are all more less chained in this system, and even those who refuse are chained in their opposition to this system, but I think we begin to understand all that little act together
 When will the police in the street with young people and the unemployed, and workers to denounce the same pressure that undergoes all the walking or creve it enough
Lille: as I said several people, including RG and CRS, my wish is that the police come to speak personally to the platform that is available to every citizen by NuitDebout 
 good they replied me that they have the duty of confidentiality (what I expected) but the intention is there   1 1
you have the small icon of the toothed wheel, you click and you selects your icon
(A right time to post the message)
Yes, but I do not have this icon?
@diego: And that's why, even as I am very anxious to see a true convegence struggles, and the chapel of debates and discuss around a new Consitution 50 parraissent a little frivolous for the time
 I think that it is important to start thinking about it all the same
 To have things to bring to the table when discussing the balance of power has changed
the wheel appears highlighted when you pass over
((It's still a sacred shit reserve duty
 I feel nowadays it is used as a means to prevent any protest of minor officials (for education that prevents teachers denounce some shameful methods to raise the numbers of the tray for example)
 It is what it normally reserve duty?))
besancon: you can also click on a icon to add already has the same
it serves to keep out the forces of doing politics
reserve duty, discretion and secrecy in public service | service-public
Officials and non-permanent staff are subject to reserve duty
 This requirement concerns the mode of expression of opinions and not their content
 It more or less severe depending on the context and the place of the agent in the hierarchy
 Officials and non-permanent staff are also subject to the discretion and secrecy professionals
@ Pixocode-dev-Lyon: ok, it's good to know ^^
Thank you, I just see how show all smileys
Lille: 50 we can already agree on a broader project to present to others
It seems to me that the shared-vision cat responds to it 
I do not think the same small group reflection will serve to anything, one must also say that PLUSIEUR small group can converge to the same proposals
 But suddenly it's not the duty of confidentiality that prevents peacekeepers from participating / ND testify outside their service
To address the bottom melts to agree on the shape of our values ??
 and the police can participate in this reflection
@diego: "The reserve requirement applies during and timeless service
"Any public official must exercise restraint and measured in the oral and written expression of his personal views
"This obligation does not concern the content of opinions (freedom of opinion is known to public officials), but their mode of expression
and even: "This obligation continues to apply to suspended officers of their duties and availability
ie a vacancy agent is still subject to duty reserve 
besancon, and it must be done, but do not believe either that good ideas will solve everything, There are plenty of good ideas, and they are not always new
 It is also the strength of the power to impose a discution on the public debate
 I am not certain that ND or bf very effective on this point
 Although there is some talk about the revenue base / Universal / wage life right now
 And I think it's related to noise that ND is everywhere
besancon: To support your words was the example of standing charter are several versions were written more or less independent and are all on the same line of thought
basically, they have the right to have opinions, not to express them
@diego: yes thank you, it's exatement this kind of example I was thinking
"This obligation does not concern the content of opinions" 
@diego: basically, they have the right to have opinions, not publicly express
Yes and no, basically it's think what you want, but do not express your opinions in the guise of an authority figure
test and expresses opinions respectfully of your function and others
they always have the right to express their opinion through the vote
It's a good thing after me the obligation of reserve police
(This thing that in the present state no longer serves the function it should fulfill ^^)
besancon: to some extent yes, but if an officer can not criticize the mode of operation of its external service because of reserve duty, and that despite its internal alarms nothing changes, then where will the public service? dale in the water 
Haha, I see that you no longer believe in the vote, personally I do not think it's corronpu it counts the votes correctly, and you have the right to vote for any candidate
After if people are manipulated by the media, by their spouses and others it's the same context
I am not of the CGT and I say not need to unionize, or they have the truth, but here is a different story that comes from the rank of Police: http: //www
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Interview with Michel Collon: Writer freelance journalist, Belgian
Subject: War Propaganda, media festival lies and conspiracy?
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net/2013/06/03/etienne-chouard-et-les-vrais-antifas
War propaganda, media festival lies and conspiracy?
Non exhaustive list of sites and conspiracy confusionists [VERSION 2015] | The morbacks vers
Indymedia Nantes | Articles | Show | Michel Collon is not welcome in Lille
Horde ienne Chouard and "real antifa"
Lille: ca agree with what I say entudu on the instructions given to the police to know only intervene in cases of human risk (not in case of equipment breakage)
After police gauchos perspective, the perspective breakers: https://www
STATE OF EMERGENCY: WHAT POLICE VIOLENCE IN EVENT?
in any case, as always there are prejudices, misunderstandings, and interest
 As long as you do not put everyone around the table to talk calmly, it will continue
 It would be like for kids: thou locked in a room without giving them to eat until they are reconciled hehe, it's a radical solution
(Well, they might eat each other 
Consider a fluid direct democracy with the tools now
@LoGduPerigord: Yes, representative democracy date of the revolution (and even before) a time when it took several days for that information crosses France
 With today's tools, the system can allow himself to be much more inclusive!
We must put things in perspective!
Otherwise, I had read that the police CGT strongly condemned the poster of the CGT-infocomm
 And suddenly I did not understand why
I just find the official press release: http://www
fr/IMG/pdf_18-04-2016_reaction_CGT-Police_suite_a_l_affiche_publiee_par_un_syndicat_CGT-3
And in fact it's just about them was manipulated 
"The CGT-Police as all colleagues, who perform their duties lapopulation service was insulted
) The same appears with the picture DENOS two ministers rather than the CRS logo would actually target those responsible, instead UNDO their game, digging once more the gap between the population and police
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I think the "didants" as mayors as an official non-voting, voted to implement the decisions
"" Any public official must exercise restraint and measured in the oral and written expression of his personal views
"This obligation does not concern the content of opinions (freedom of opinion is known to public officials), but their mode of expression
and even: "This obligation continues to apply to suspended officers of their duties and availability
ie a vacancy agent is still subject to duty reserve 
this is false: the "duty of reserve" does not exist in French law for officials of authority, and not for public servants in general
Official authority: university president and director of high school, for example
 But no college professor or high school or primary is not subject to any "duty of reserve" does not exist in French law
@Dzonokwa: But they are subject to professional discretion?
I know for myself addressed this issue years ago, when the government was clear us that old sea serpent in order to silence the protests at university
I did mention that the official website
reserve duty, discretion and secrecy in public service | service-public
Officials and non-permanent staff are subject to reserve duty
 This requirement concerns the mode of expression of opinions and not their content
 It more or less severe depending on the context and the place of the agent in the hierarchy
 Officials and non-permanent staff are also subject to the discretion and secrecy professionals
I am a civil servant, but no official authority, and I have the right to express myself without reservation on any subject when I want
yes but you do not cites the text of the law
Here is a text that I wrote at the time: http://indiscipline
fr/egypte-le-monde-relaie-sans-les-verifier-les-erreurs-du-quai-dorsay-a-propos-dun-pretendu-devoir-de-reserve-des-chercheurs
Egypt: World relays, without checking, the errors of the Quai d Orsay about of an alleged "duty of reserve" of researchers
11 The French researchers ordered to be discreet, writing about World relays Bernard Valero, spokesman of the Quai d'Orsay
I'm at work and I have no time to go into details, knowing that the link to the legislation is in the link I give everyone can go further https://www
do?idArticle=LEGIARTI000006366539&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006068812
read knowing that a law requires a certain application, the text that belies the idea of ??the "duty of confidentiality" will come in handy: http://indiscipline
fr/egypte-le-monde-relaie-sans-les-verifier-les-erreurs-du-quai-dorsay-a-propos-dun-pretendu-devoir-de-reserve-des-chercheurs
Egypt: World relays, without checking, the errors of the Quai d Orsay about of an alleged "duty of reserve" of researchers
11 The French researchers ordered to be discreet, writing about World relays Bernard Valero, spokesman of the Quai d'Orsay
the right of reservation does not guarantee the corruption in exchange for a position in the private
In an interview published on the website Rue89, a magistrate recently said "n reserve duty not exist in the texts, c is a judicial creation
 "She continued:" in the law, including the 1983 governing the civil service and Article 26, it is found that an imperative of professional discretion and hierarchical obedience
 " And she concluded: "the whole question is where is the freedom of opinion and freedom of conscience in relation to this obedience
However, the duty of confidentiality is increasingly invoked in an attempt to cut off debate
 And examples of officials punished for not having respected the in expressing itself publicly against the policies of their ministries, are more frequent
 C is for example the case of a policeman, Jean-Hughes Matelly, and a police commander, Philippe Pichon
 In national, Bastien Cazals Education, director of a kindergarten in the Herault, has been explicitly requested by the academy inspector 's no longer speak in the media
Anicet Le Pors that, as Minister of the Government of Pierre Mauroy Public Service from 1981 to 1984, led the development of the law n  83-634 of 13 July 1983 concerning the rights and obligations of officials, s is expressed this subject
 In an article published on 1 February 2008, he said that their status gives freedom of opinion to public officials and that "the reserve requirement is not in the general status and, to [his] knowledge, in no particular civil servant status "
yes, I saw your link the first time you've posted ok It is complicated
everything is complicated in an area where handling our guardianship is evident and where the media do not make their information work
I just do not have the desire or the time to go freedom of opinion, but certainly the right to vote? if officials lose the right to vote while they were official
well you do as you feel it, no problem, but thank you not to disseminate false information on a "reserve duty" that does not exist
France is not (yet) a dictatorship, to me it seems 
@Dzonokwa "Spread misinformation" I just gave a link that comes from the source (the state) which itself return to a statute
 And we were talking about the police reserve duty
 I'm not an expert and have not claimed, I was only answering a question put to me
 So good, "spreading misinformation" you repasseras 1
rho aut hey! No offense to you, but it is an area I've read so much misinformation and where misinformation is so much in the sense of criminalization of social movements, it is not citing a statute without dig the question that will be fine
uh, chaqun made his coffee washing ironing etc
I'm not upset, I reframes things ^^ during a debate, it is important thank you anyway to have completed my knowledge!
 I strongly reacted to the fact that you said they have neither the time nor the inclination to read text: not that right, in a debate!