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Identical Property/Space Merging/Distinguishment #910

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yhx-12243 opened this issue Nov 13, 2024 · 4 comments
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Identical Property/Space Merging/Distinguishment #910

yhx-12243 opened this issue Nov 13, 2024 · 4 comments

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@yhx-12243
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yhx-12243 commented Nov 13, 2024

Similar for merging of homeomorphic spaces, I suppose to suggest merge two identical properties (i.e., both $A \implies B$ and $B \implies A$ can be deduced), because pi-base have aliases for properties and we can write equivalent definition in descripton.

For example, Completely regular and Uniformizable are in P12 now due to 52bcd9d.

Here is a list of identical properties which can be deduced by pi-base:

  • P70 (Markov Menger) and P71 (σ-relatively-compact)

Here is a list of $A \implies B$ but there are no counterexample for $B \implies A$:


Similarly, for spaces, here is a list of pair of pi-base-indistinguishable spaces:

  • S23 (Arens–Fort Space) and S96 (Appert space) (completely pi-base-indistinguishable1)
  • S66 (Double origin plane) and S73 (Simplified arens square)
    (would become the second pair of completely pi-base-indistinguishable)
  • S116 (Infinite broom) and S119 (Nested angles in the real plane)
    (would distinguish by P89 (Fixed point property))

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  1. Means all traits of these two spaces (except that cannot decide in ZFC, etc.) are completed and they are same to both two spaces.

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prabau commented Nov 13, 2024

FYI, we discussed Markov Menger and sigma-relatively compact in the past, and decided to keep them separate. Our reasoning was: they are very different phrased properties, which a priori have nothing to do with each other. It seemed more instructive to keep them separate, with theorems showing the equivalence.

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It's worth comparing with P152 where both a direct "topologically countable" and game-theoretic "Markov Rothberger" are given as aliases for the same (equivalent) property.

Note also that some implications like P157=>P156 might involve set-theoretic shenanigans, as P156 means Player One lacks a winning strategy for a game, and P157 means Player Two has a winning strategy, and these games can be indetermined due to the Axiom of Choice.

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Moniker1998 commented Dec 9, 2024

P6 (T3.5) $\iff$ P61 (Cozero complemented) is not true since if $D$ is uncountable and discrete, then $\beta D$ is cozero complemented but $\beta D\times \beta D$ is not
I'll try to see if there exist examples already on pi-base, though

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#1049 provides counter-example for P6 $\implies$ P61

@yhx-12243 yhx-12243 changed the title Identical Property Merging Identical Property/Space Merging/Distinguishment Dec 30, 2024
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