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Add 'optimistic' time delayed organisation as governance option for krievo collectives #421

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monsieurbulb opened this issue Jul 31, 2024 · 3 comments

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There is a very simple DAO design that is an 'optimistic' structure - where proposals approve optimistically unless members organise to cancel the proposal.

these DAOs can move very fast when members trust each other and have experience.

first pioneering in substrate/kusama by Shokunin

https://app.subsocial.network/@shokunin/let-s-use-pallet-proxy-for-chaos-and-good-32567

this is the structure we would like to implement for the creative fund bootstrapped by dUSD yield.

@monsieurbulb monsieurbulb changed the title Add 'optimistic' time delayed organisation as option for krievo collectives Add 'optimistic' time delayed organisation as governance option for krievo collectives Jul 31, 2024
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olanod commented Aug 1, 2024

Wouldn't it be enough for a community to configure their approval/support curves with very "optimistic" parameters? e.g. a community with a track with very low required approval and support and long enough confirmation period can have proposals easily approved with a single voter.

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Possibly - the interesting thing about the shokunin model was the simple idea that all proposals pass by default - it is a trusted environment, and onus is on people to organise to halt a proposal.

if that can be done with the approach you suggest then all good.

the end result of this is to enable memberships of a collective to confer the above trust in their judgement so the group can move quickly

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olanod commented Aug 5, 2024

I think we can make it work with the existing system ;) assuming the proposer votes yes when submitting the initiative and minimum support stays flat at zero or near zero, the proposal basically skips the decision period and starts confirming immediately, with a minimum approval also low(e.g. below 50%) it would also require more than one negative vote to take it out of confirmation. We had also implemented a "confirmation candle" to protect from confirmation sniping that can come handy in these set ups where there's a log confirmation period.

If the Decent Partners DAO or another org you know wants to try this kind of voting configuration let us know to help with the parameters as it's still not configurable with the app.

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