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| # Akash Network - Clients Special Interest Group (SIG) - Meeting #8 | ||
| ## Agenda | ||
| - Updates on Cloudmos and Console | ||
| - Demo Presentation from Source Network | ||
| - Discussions on Clients Libraries | ||
| ## Meeting Details | ||
| - Date: Thursday, August 16, 2023 | ||
| - Time: 9:00 AM PT (Pacific Time) | ||
| - [Recording]() | ||
| - [Transcript](#Transcript) | ||
| ## Participants | ||
| - Addo Smajic | ||
| - Andrew Gnatyuk | ||
| - Anil Murty | ||
| - Anish Maddipoti | ||
| - Boz Menzalji, Calvin Harris | ||
| - Carlos A | ||
| - Christopher Berry | ||
| - Damir Simpovic, Denis Lelic | ||
| - Emmanuel Arthur | ||
| - envy | Neta DAO | ||
| - Fred Carle | ||
| - Greg Osuri | ||
| - Ishan Dhanani | ||
| - Joao Luna | ||
| - John-Alan Simmons | ||
| - Joseph Tary | ||
| - Julius Haus | ||
| - Keenan Nemetz | ||
| - Mark Ntim | ||
| - Max | ||
| - Maxime Cyr | ||
| - Rodrigo Rochin | ||
| - Shahzad Lone | ||
| - Thomas Montfort | ||
| - Tyler Wright | ||
| - Tzu-Jung Lee | ||
| ## Meeting Notes | ||
| ### Updates on Cloudmos | ||
| #### Max's Update: | ||
| - Max expresses gratitude for support on [ the proposal](https://www.mintscan.io/akash/proposals/216), noting high participation. | ||
| - Ongoing work on the CloudMos Interface and Tools, now open source. | ||
| - Integration of AkashJS library for SDL parsing and manifest creation. | ||
| - Anyone can use the indexer acquired by the community with documentation in the repository. | ||
| - Mention of plans to implement authorizations that can pay for deployments fees, inspired by Omniflix platform. | ||
| - The plan is to provide free trials for users without tokens. | ||
| - Mentioned that they have "no public roadmap," but they work closely with Anil on things to improve and build. | ||
| #### Tyler Wright | ||
| - CloudMos and Console teams supporting a sandbox environment for testing network changes. | ||
| - Two bugs identified and resolved through testing. | ||
| - Community involvement in testing to ensure client functionality on mainnet. | ||
| #### Anil Murty | ||
| - Anil addresses a question from Julius and discusses synergies between the two teams(Cloudmos team and Console team). | ||
| - Emphasizes that Cloudmos is now open source on Akash Network. | ||
| - Highlights the product strategy aimed at leveraging synergies between the two teams and finding common features. | ||
| - Discusses the importance of finding common features between both platforms and reusing code where possible. | ||
| - Details the plan to identify common features and integrate them into AkashJS. | ||
| - Mentions that all the document he is presenting will be available in the Sig-Clients within the Akash Network's community repository. | ||
| - Discusses plans to clean up the roadmap and make it accessible, mentioning the Cloudmos deploy folder as a potential location for it. | ||
| - Highlights recent developments by the Cloudmos team, specifically UI for viewing and setting attributes for providers. | ||
| - Explains that providers connected to the wallet can now see and modify attributes they've set. | ||
| - Highlights that clients can view the attributes they're assigned. | ||
| - Clarifies that the intention is not to become a provider management platform but to test the [proposed schema](https://github.com/akash-network/cloudmos/blob/main/config/provider-attributes.md) for compatibility with providers before wider implementation. | ||
| - Highlights that attributes implemented by the Cloudmos team to help clients query and filter providers based on specific criteria, improved the client experience. | ||
| - Highlights that attributes implemented by the Cloudmos team addresses an issue with the SSH shell interface in Cloudmos, which previously experienced frequent timeouts. | ||
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| ### Updates on Console | ||
| #### Anil Murty | ||
| - Anil Murty mentions that some bugs were reported in the Cloudmos channel on Discord during the Testnet phase. Fixes were made, including addressing an issue related to persistent storage. | ||
| - Anil Murty introduces a new landing page for Console 2.0 but clarifies that it's an interim solution until the new experience is determined. | ||
| - Anil Murty provides information about the Agora Labs team who are starting a project to build upon Console. | ||
| - Discusses their aim to create a user-friendly experience for AI developers. | ||
| - Mentions the team's plan to work on a prototype for an upcoming hackathon. | ||
| ### Discussions on Client Libraries | ||
| - Joao Luna: Provides an update on the client libraries. The Java library is open source, while the GO library is still closed source and under discussion. | ||
| - Greg Osuri: Expresses the need for a GO library for his client project and is open to either building it himself or receiving access to one. | ||
| - Joao Luna: Agrees to discuss the GO library further within the working group for clients. | ||
| - Greg Osuri: Discusses the funding aspect and suggests putting out a usable version of the library first. He mentions that he will work on it regardless of funding but would need funding for further development. | ||
| - Joao Luna: Shares insights into their approach in building the library and their need for a clients library to interact with the Akash network. | ||
| ### Demo Presentation from Source Network | ||
| - Tyler Wright: Introduces the [Source.Network](https://source.network/) team and gives them the opportunity to demo their decentralized solution. | ||
| - Addo Smajic briefly explains the nature of their decentralized database solution. | ||
| - John-Alan begins the demo of their database solution, [DeferDB](https://github.com/sourcenetwork/defradb). Launches an instance with an in-memory store, explaining the use of schemas and Graphql for interacting with the database. | ||
| - Greg asked for a reminder about what a CID is. | ||
| - John-Alan explained that CID comes from the IPLD data model, which powers IPFS and Filecoin, and it stands for "content identifier." | ||
| - John-Alan mentioned the importance of the Merkel CRDT system for building decentralized databases. | ||
| - John-Alan mentioned the need for developers to spin up nodes on Akash to act as replication endpoints for users going through applications. | ||
| - Greg expressed enthusiasm for the Source project and its alignment with Akash's vision. | ||
| - Discussed the idea of having managed services, like databases, that can be scheduled with containers. | ||
| - Greg inquired about the consistency model supported. | ||
| - John-Alan explained that it falls under the "strong eventually consistent model," where all clients see the same state as long as they are on the same version. | ||
| - Greg Osuri inquired about the number of verifications required for eventual consistency, but the exact number wasn't provided. | ||
| - Greg asked about ORM (Object-Relational Mapping) support. | ||
| - John-Alan mentioned that GraphQL provides a native ORM-like system. | ||
| - John-Alan highlighted Akash's ability to allow users to spin up VMs easily with a private key, reducing the complexity of server management. | ||
| - A question was raised about how authentication to the database works. | ||
| - John-Alan explained that they have a Global Authorization service within their Cosmos APP Chain. | ||
| ### Other matters Discussed | ||
| - Thomas Montfort provides a high-level overview of their projec and background as AI/ML engineers. | ||
| - Highlights their interest in Akash due to the GPU testnet and the support for GPU resources. | ||
| - Expresses the challenges in deploying and fine-tuning models due to resource availability. | ||
| - Outlines their immediate plan for the HACKATHON: creating an interface for fine-tuning models and automating deployment. | ||
| - Mention of handling model checkpointing and dealing with providers. | ||
| #### Model checkpointing | ||
| - Anil Murty: Discusses the topic of checkpoints and shares that they are in talks with another team working on Lower Training, a technique that involves training large AI models on a smaller subset of parameters. They are exploring the possibility of enabling this training on Akash once the mainnet is launched. | ||
| - Anil Murty: Highlights that the training aspect of AI models can be exorbitantly expensive, and the Lower Training solution could be a cost-effective alternative. | ||
| - Anil mentions that he is working with the team on a proposal that will be published on GitHub discussions in the next few days. | ||
| ## Action Items | ||
| - Anil Murty to publish a high-level roadmap for Cloudmos and Console on GitHub. | ||
| - Anil to share presentation documnent in sig-client repository | ||
| - Luna to continue discusions with Greg on Go library development in sig-client discord channel | ||
| - Tyler Wright to check if the Source Network team has plans for future sessions. | ||
| - John-Alan Simmons to prepare a demo for a larger audience. | ||
| ## Transcripts |