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@Flarna Flarna commented Oct 17, 2025

There is ongoing work to replace async customization hooks by a synchronous variant. As a result bugs/design flaws or the async variant (thread leak, overhead) are not addressed.

Adapt stability index to avoid wrong assumptions they might move to stable.

Refs: nodejs/loaders#201
Refs: nodejs/loaders#198

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> Stability: 1.2 - Release candidate (asynchronous version)
> Stability: 1 - Experimental (asynchronous version)
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Any stability level 1.x is experimental. See https://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/documentation.html#stability-index

We don’t really have a level for “pending removal” so maybe the most appropriate level is the most experimental one:

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> Stability: 1 - Experimental (asynchronous version)
> Stability: 1.0 - Early development (asynchronous version)

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It's not early development though

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I think deprecated would be the state for pending removal but that seems too early to me.

I selected a similar state/wording as for async_hooks (except the migration hints) because it seems very similar:

  • no 100% replacement as of now
  • works fine for some usecases
  • has flows which can't/are not planned to be fixed
  • high overhead at least in some cases

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It was decided that "deprecated" was reserved for stable features:

> Experimental features leave the experimental status typically either by
> graduating to stable, or are removed without a deprecation cycle.

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Maybe just create a new stage like 1.9 - Pending removal? And we can add a note next to it that the sync hooks are the intended replacement.

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If neither 1.2 - Release candidate nor 1.0 - Early Development makes sense, maybe 1.1 - Active development ?

I feel that whether/when to remove it would be a different question due to the existing usage, but it somewhat certain that even if it stays, it would have to have changes in order to be really functional - there are too many quirks right now.

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lgtm

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There is ongoing work to replace async customization hooks by a
synchronous variant.
As a result bugs/design flaws or the async variant (thread leak,
overhead) are not addressed.
Adapt stability index to avoid wrong assumptions they might move to
stable.

Refs: nodejs/loaders#201
Refs: nodejs/loaders#198
Co-authored-by: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
@Flarna Flarna force-pushed the loaderhooks-experimental branch from ae4d294 to 1690620 Compare October 18, 2025 15:29
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FWIW #59666 lists some of the existing bugs in the async cutomization hooks that can explain why this is a bit too far from "release candidate" (they are not yet documented as "known caveats", but have existed from v20)

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