antags should roll before roles

[K-Dynamic]

Description

Feature is frequently requested, recent discusions on Discord indicate lack of opposition.

SS14 currently picks antag roles after rolling crew roles first, meaning most players will avoid playing command or security. There should be a cvar option to enable picking antag roles before rolling crew roles.

Example:

1. Enable cvar
2. Roll for selected antag (e.g. syndicate)
3. Rolled syndicate, skip protected crew roles (e.g. captain)
4. Roll other crew roles (e.g. engineer)
5. Start shift as syndicate engineer

Regarding metagaming concerns, a common example is if Urist McHands is a regular HoS player and appears as a passenger, then they must be an antag for the shift. However, Urist McHands could have simply decided not to play HoS, and manually unselected the role to roll traitor as most players currently do. It is also possible that their priority was set lower than that of another player.

Either way, round quality severely decreases the more understaffed security and command departments are roundstart. I would personally prefer having a 'hard' character that only plays antag or command/sec rather than possibly rolling on a character I'd rather relax on.

[ScarKy0]

What I'd like from a system like this would be that if you have no antag-rollable jobs selected it should skip you.
Example:

1. Have only captain enabled
2. You cannot be pre-rolled for antag as you have no antag job selected
3. Play captain
   As opposed to
4. Have only captain enabled
5. Spawn as a tider due to rolling antag
6. Cry

For me its less of a worry for metagaming than the fact I don't wonna make additional characters for antag purposes. It's way more convenient if you suddenly decide you wonna play command or something to just toggle the jobs. (And I only have one character)

[K-Dynamic]

What I'd like from a system like this would be that if you have no antag-rollable jobs selected it should skip you.

I'm not sure what you mean by this since you could just disable antag roles after selecting sec/command roles only.

[ScarKy0]

I'm not sure what you mean by this since you could just disable antag roles after selecting sec/command roles only.

Just me being nitpicky. Don't feel like having to constantly jump between the menus (especially since the character menu is less than ideal)

[ilovehans10]

I've also got to say I like playing chemist and salvage but for both of those I hate rolling antag roles as I'm either stuck in my department all round or stuck off station all round. And don't get me wrong I know you can be a perfectly good syndie chemist, but being a chemistloose feels like I'm asking everyone to look at me and question why I'm approaching the bridge. Maybe this is entirely to personal preference, but it could be nice to have an option in job loadouts to turn off antag for just the one job.

Another feature that would go hand in hand with this would be the option to copy and paste loadouts to different jobs so I don't have to go into every loadout and turn on winter jackets, winter boots, weh plushies, the lesbian pin, and smokes.

[ilovehans10]

After looking through the issues quick another option would be to have overridable global loadouts as suggested in #28832 and have antag roles tied to loadout. This way by default all my characters can have satchels and zero chance of being an antag, but my bartender will have a duffel bag and a chance of being initial infected.