2010_11 Claus Offe

Bürgergeld

• PCT is the fundamental overhaul of the revenue side, Bürgergeld of the spending side?
• Bürgergeld is minimally redistributive; only at the lower end of the spectrum / PCT is maximally redistributive
• PCT lowers the nominal rates of the Bürgergeld, same for NIT
• PCT alleviates the "spending" bias of the Bürgergeld
• Problem: Arbeitslosigkeit ist nicht unabwendbar
• Wichtige Frage: reale Sparquote.
• Offe 51: realistic only under departure from Bismarck (PAYGO, Income Taxation + VAT)
• I'm productivist
• Homo reciprocans is key, yes, but only in the very long term. We need to understand what the mode of production would be.
• We agree on the dual crisis of the welfare state. We disagree on where to look for an explanation, or a solution.
• Here's a key idea: the discussion of the welfare state must, include a discussion of savings rate and how much we put in consumption goods, and how much we put in investment goods. This is were the puzzle lies. Don't forget about this! Think real dissavings (aging, environment, productivity, developing world)
• über SCherhorn: externalities are not just redistribution, they are also real losses.

Things to adress:

• What do you think of my thesis?

• What do I think of the BGE?

• Where can I take my thesis? (supervision?)

  • (Second order) theory of the PCT and why we don't have it

• Scherherhorn (Lenkungssteuer, CAp+Trade, Revenue), my comment: real losses

• also, but this wasn't Offe (but some guy at the SMJG table) check out Straubhaar, Thomas

Offe Bürgergeld, my comments

• PCT is a fundamental overhaul of the revenue side, Bürgergeld is an overhaul of the spending side
• PCT lowers the nominal rates of the Bürgergeld, same for NIT
• PCT alleviates "spending" bias
• Arbeitslosigkeit nicht unabwendbar (dual crisis!)
• think: real savings rate
• Offe says: departure from Bismarck and PAYGO is unrealistic, I don't think that can stand.
• I'm productivist
• I think in the long ron, homo reciprocans is important
  • but it needs to be slow
  • and we need to understand the mode of his production
  • We agree on the crisis (offe and me), but not the solution
• Offe says: write a Konflikttheorie, a 2nd order theory on the reform suggestion (such as Offe 2009)
• Resource tax on oil, land, apparently some SChellnhuber (PIK) guy does that and says you have to tax consumption.
• Milenna Bücks on Ressource taxes (Green Ways of Financing the Welfare State)
• Robert Frank again
• Check out the WUppertal institute and what they're doing
• Robert Reich: super capitalism
• Kaldor Peckmann
• Seidmann
• Milena bücks
• STreeck 2007 lesen über die finanzkrise
• Offe sagt: Leibfried.